Talk:Elizabeth II#Requested move 2 June 2018

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| author = Emily Yahr

| title = Do you fall down a Wikipedia rabbit hole after each episode of 'The Crown'? You’re not alone

| org = The Washington Post

| url = https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2018/01/04/do-you-fall-down-a-wikipedia-rabbit-hole-after-each-episode-of-the-crown-youre-not-alone/?utm_term=.912d6ea08b11

| date = 4 January 2018

| quote = Queen Elizabeth’s Wikipedia page was the third-most-visited entry with 19.2 million views … Traffic to the queen’s Wikipedia page peaked on Dec. 10, when the second season of "The Crown" started streaming

| author2 = Armon Sandler

| title2 = Queen Elizabeth II’s Wikipedia Page Is Trolled After Her Death With A Chief Keef Album Cover: ‘RIP Bozo’

| org2 = Uproxx

| url2 = https://uproxx.com/music/queen-elizabeth-ii-chief-keef-wikipedia/

| date2 = 8 September 2022

| quote2 = In a tweet shared on Thursday afternoon, a user said “Someone already griefed the Queen Elizabeth II Wikipedia page lmaooo.” The tweet is accompanied by a screenshot of Queen Elizabeth II’s Wikipedia page with the “Article” tab highlighted.

| subject3 = article

| author3 = Jody Serrano

| title3 = How Wikipedia’s ‘Deaditors’ Sprang Into Action on Queen Elizabeth II’s Page After Her Death

| org3 = Gizmodo

| url3 = https://gizmodo.com/queen-elizabeth-ii-died-wikipedia-deaditors-charles-1849516945

| date3 = 9 September 2022

| quote3 = While some on the internet were glued to Twitter or the BBC, checking for news or watching the planes en route to Balmoral Castle, one group of dedicated Wikipedia editors sprang into action updating the late queen’s page in the minutes after Buckingham Palace announced the news.

| subject4 = article

| author4 = Annie Rauwerda

| title4 = Who the hell updated Queen Elizabeth II’s Wikipedia page so quickly?

| org4 = Input

| url4 = https://www.inputmag.com/culture/queen-elizabeth-ii-death-wikipedia-updates

| date4 = 9 September 2022

| quote4 = Upon Queen Elizabeth II’s death, the world was quick to note the free encyclopedia’s up-to-the-minute coverage. “WIKIPEDIA DIDN’T WASTE ANY TIME,” someone tweeted. “Someone was in there watching her last breaths with a computer on wikipedia ready to just press enter,” another joked.

| subject5 = article

| author5 = Jeff Parsons

| title5 = How Wikipedia responded when news of the Queen’s death broke

| org5 = Metro (British newspaper)

| url5 = https://metro.co.uk/2022/09/09/how-wikipedia-responded-when-news-of-the-queens-death-broke-17335549/

| date5 = 9 September 2022

| quote5 = In the case of the Queen’s death, the legion of volunteers that keep up the ‘Free Encyclopedia’ sprang into action to keep it updated. The first edit made to the Queen’s Wikipedia page came just minutes after the first sources broke the news.

|subject6 = article

|author6 = Kai McNamee

|title6 = Fastest 'was' in the West: Inside Wikipedia's race to cover the queen's death

|org6 = NPR

|date6 = 2022-09-15

|url6 = https://www.npr.org/2022/09/15/1122943829/wikipedia--queen-elizabeth-ii-death-deaditors-editors-article

| subject7 = article

| author7 = Liam Mannix

| title7 = Evidence suggests Wikipedia is accurate and reliable. When are we going to start taking it seriously?

| org7 = The Sydney Morning Herald

| url7 = https://www.smh.com.au/national/evidence-suggests-wikipedia-is-accurate-and-reliable-when-are-we-going-to-start-taking-it-seriously-20220913-p5bhl3.html

| date7 = 13 September 2022

| quote7 = About 3.30am (AEST) on Friday, the British royal family announced the Queen had died. About two minutes later her Wikipedia entry had been updated to note her death.

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Semi-protected edit request on 8 April 2025

Note her highly successful state visit to Germany in 1965; reference the account of the visit in Britain's 'Mr X'

Sir Frank Roberts and the making of British foreign policy, 1930-68, by Jonathan Colman. J1282 (talk) 15:35, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

:File:X mark.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Tlx|Edit semi-protected}} template. Remsense ‥ 论 15:37, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 25 May 2025

change head of the commonwealth to former head of the commonwealth

2A00:23C4:A058:E701:80AB:E590:F5D4:66D6 (talk) 16:06, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

:The word "was" covers "former". Tony Holkham (Talk) 16:10, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 June 2025

Please, I want to add something to the marriage aspect 102.90.81.156 (talk) 14:51, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

Elizabeth encountered Prince Philip in 1934, at the wedding of her uncle, Prince George, Duke of Kent, to Philip's first cousin, Princess Marina of Greece and Denmark 102.90.81.156 (talk) 14:53, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

:File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DrKay (talk) 15:39, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

Lead image

Should the infobox photograph be changed from the current 1959 portrait to something else? Note that the other three images below are purely illustrative and not part of the proposal. Cremastra (talk) 20:03, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

File:Queen Elizabeth II official portrait for 1959 tour (retouched) (cropped) (3-to-4 aspect ratio).jpg | Current
(1959)

File:Hershkovich bach vertical line.svg

File:Queen Elizabeth II March 2015.jpg | Example of a potential alt (2015)

File:The Queen of New Zealand, 1986 crop.jpg | Example of a potential alt (1986)

File:Elizabeth II greets NASA GSFC employees, May 8, 2007 edit.jpg | Example of a potential alt (2007)

Yes Two and a half years ago, a discussion emerged with the consensus that the 1959 official portrait of the Queen is best suited to represent her in the infobox. It's time to revisit that decision. Most photographs we have of deceased famous people (e.g. Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, for example, but also Lester B. Pearson, Hermann Göring) have images which represent what they are best known for, represent their full lives, and are recognizable to readers. Pearson, for example, is best remembered as being a diplomat and a Canadian Prime Minister; he is pictured in a suit black and white during his first year in office as PM. Prince Philip is best remembered as the royal consort; he is pictured in a suit in 1992. This picture is thus old enough to represent his life, but recent enough that he is recognizable. By contrast, Queen Elizabeth is pictured in 1959 as a young queen with crown and sash. Given the age of the photograph this can hardly serve to represent her full reign, nor is it recognizable today. MOS:LEADIMAGE tells us that the lead image should be natural and recognizable; in fact, it should be {{tq|what our readers will expect to see}}. The 65-your old photograph does not at all accord with her public image today, which is better represented by the 2015 and 2007 images; indeed, the 2015 image is such a good representation it was used until her death.
In effect the problem is that a hurried decision was made two years ago to select a bad image that, due to its age, was felt to better represent the Queen and her reign. In hindsight, it is clear that this is not so, as the image is outdated, unrecognizable and in fact jarring, thus falling deeply afoul of the MOS guidance on lead images. Cremastra (talk) 20:01, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
Yes As someone who was alive for the whole of her reign, an informal picture (such as the 2015 example) is how I, and probably many people alive today, will recognise her. Leave the formal portraits to illustrate the historical aspects. Tony Holkham (Talk) 21:04, 20 June 2025 (UTC)