Talk:Elva Trill

Sunday World and Evoke seem not to be serious references, I think. The Irish Independent (ref. 6: age of 24 = born in 1991) and the external link at IMDb with the exact date of birth (born 8 January 1991) should be better references. It's too complicated for me to do the corrections. Please help and do it.--Albrecht1 (talk) 20:29, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

:Hi.

:To confirm, reference number 6 is not The Irish Independent. It is one of Independent News & Media's entertainment outlets. (Not everything published on "independent.ie" is the Irish Independent. As we see in the other references ([https://www.independent.ie/regionals/herald/the-secrets-out-on-red-rock-star-elva-trills-film-role/30981895.html #7 for example]), articles from regional titles, like the Evening Herald, are also published on the "main" independent.ie website.)

:In terms of whether and which reference to use, the problem is that - even within the Independent News & Media (INM) stable - there is conflict. The Evening Herald (INM) article disagrees with the INM movies/entertainment title. For example. Of the sources we have, and absent a SPECIFIC date of birth, :Template:Birth based on age as of date gives us (variously):

:* [https://www.independent.ie/regionals/herald/the-secrets-out-on-red-rock-star-elva-trills-film-role/30981895.html Evening Herald (INM)] (Feb 2015) "{{tq|Elva (24) plays Charlene Waters}}": {{birth based on age as of date|24|2015|02}}

:* [https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/movies/movie-news/red-rock-star-elva-trill-goes-from-waitress-to-film-star-as-she-appears-with-ex-bond-girl-alison-doody/31442226.html Indo Entertainment (INM)] (Aug 2015) "{{tq|Elva (24) has bagged a string of covetable roles}}": {{birth based on age as of date|24|2015|08}}

:* [https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/movies/movie-news/i-was-a-huge-fan-growing-up-irish-actress-elva-trill-set-to-star-in-new-jurassic-world-movie/40497815.html Indo Entertainment (an INM reprint of below?)] (Jun 2021) "{{tq|Elva Trill (28) from Sligo}}": {{birth based on age as of date|28|2021|06}}

:* [https://www.sundayworld.com/showbiz/irish-actress-elva-trill-set-for-stardom-as-she-gears-up-for-release-of-new-jurassic-world-movie-40483060.html Sunday World] (May 2021) "{{tq|Elva Trill (28) from Sligo}}": {{birth based on age as of date|28|2021|05}}

:* [https://evoke.ie/2021/06/03/entertainment/irelands-elva-trill-jurassic-world-film Evoke.ie] (Jun 2021) "{{tq|The 28-year-old actress}}": {{birth based on age as of date|28|2021|06}}

:Personally, as you note, I'm inclined to expect that the age given in 2015 sources ("24") was/is correct. But there has been some back and forth about it. With some (anon) contributors taking things even further. Thoughts? Guliolopez (talk) 21:11, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

::Thanks, Guliolopez, for Your explanations!

::And what about the External Link IMDB as I have written above? Isn't it a plausible refernce? Albrecht1 (talk) 08:02, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

:::Hi. WP:IMDB isn't typically considered reliable. As it is mostly user-generated content. WP:UGC. Guliolopez (talk) 10:42, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

{{deindent}} OK. There have been no other thoughts/inputs (to explain why the two 2015 sources, both of which give the subject's age as 24 as of 2015, should be considered incorrect). Given that, as above, there are other (subsequent) sources which give a slightly different age, I've [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Elva_Trill&diff=1218306162&oldid=1217352203 updated] to reflect the source that is (somewhat) in the middle. As above, IMDB doesn't meet WP:RS. Guliolopez (talk) 23:08, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

:Bump. OK. It seems an IP editor (editors?) believe that all of the sources listed above (and given in the article) are incorrect. And that the subject is a further 4-5 years older than the "oldest" date given in those sources. Stating that the DOB should be overridden/changed.

:If this was based on other/reliable/verifiable sources (and following discussion on how to address the conflict), then that might be OK. However, unilaterally making these changes without any evidence (and based purely "[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Elva_Trill&diff=prev&oldid=1267850192 on personal attendance of 30th birthday party in 2017. Documented on Instagram]") is really "not OK".

:Put simply: If all the linked sources are incorrect (and they could well be), then please bring other reliable/verifiable/independent sources. "I went to her birthday party once" isn't such a source. Certainly not to the extent that it should be taken above other actually verifiable sources. And falls under WP:BIT. Guliolopez (talk) 16:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)