Talk:Emirates Stadium#Ashburton Grove vs the Emirates

I deleted the Emirates Cup section as it was written extremely badly and it really has nothing to do with the stadium itself. (14:25, 21 August 2009) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lapzwans (talk • contribs) 14:28, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Seeing as the Emirates has been nominated as one of the stadium in contention to hold the 2011 UEFA Cup final, it is reasonable to assume that it is, at the very least, in fact a 4 star stadium.

http://www.arsenal.com/article.asp?thisNav=News&article=483428&lid=NewsHeadline&Title=Emirates+Stadium+up+for+2011+UEFA+Cup+Final Hasanclk 17:03, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

:That's just pure assumption and supposition - until it's quoted in a reliable source it cannot be included. There are another four years before the Final occurs & for certification to take place. Qwghlm 22:41, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I would have thought it was a 5 star because (from what i've seen) it seems to fulfill all the criteria for one. I guess they went for the UEFA cup final first to see how the neutral European comunity reacted to the stadium then if its positive, go for the Champions league final a few years later The C of E (talk) 18:42, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

according to WP:COMMONNAME, shouldn't this article be named as Ashburton Grove? Stadia named by sponsorship agreements are likely to change name in the future. L.J.Skinner^{wot|I did} 14:21, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

:WT:WPF#Stadium names is currently discussing this matter, but in relation to existing stadiums that have been renamed. Though I don't like the sponsored name, my opinion is that in this case, as the stadium has operated under the name since its opening then it should be under this name. If the name changes in 2014 then the article can be moved then. Googling for [http://www.google.com/search?q=%22emirates+stadium%22 Emirates Stadium] v. [http://www.google.com/search?q=%22ashburton+grove%22 Ashburton Grove] makes it clear that the former is the much more common name for it. Qwghlm 15:19, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

::Whilst I take your points, there are numerous occasions where wiki forgoes "common" names in favour of "official" names. A couple I can think of off the top of my head are West Ham United's Boleyn Ground, formerly known as Upton Park . A quick google search will show [http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=upton+park&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a Upton Park] - 2 million sites, and photos, [http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=boleyn+ground&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a Boleyn Ground] - only 900,000 sites, the first of which is wiki, and one says "Boleyn Ground (Upton Park)". I can see why this is a different case, as Ashburton Grove has never had an official non-sponsorship name, but the point stands. I shall take some of this to the discussion which you have highlighted. L.J.Skinner^{wotlfæfæftæætægæflfæfææffåf|I did} 18:07, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

:::However, Emirates Stadium is also the official name of the stadium as well as the most common name, so by using Boleyn Ground (or indeed Arsenal Stadium, another stadium nicknamed by the area it stood in) as a precedent this article should stay where it is. Requesting a move would not be unreasonable, but I still think the article is best where it currently is. Qwghlm 19:13, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

::::The official name is, was, and always will be The Arsenal Stadium (like 'Highbury' before it). I'm sure AFC cou;d back this up. Whilst under construction the Emirates's letters spacing and even it's font were cleared for the planed change back, after the sponsorship deal finished. If Emirates aren't paying you directly, you have no reason to mis-name it 888dave888holly888 (talk) 19:24, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

:::::check out the fonts at "Ashburton Grove" & "Highbury" 888dave888holly888 (talk) 19:30, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

::::::https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=yPZh6gs3&id=86EBFF9F443CDC108C9F36268E9903DE31A274C3&thid=OIP.yPZh6gs3rPFUH7lesbKi_QHaFj&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fi.pinimg.com%2foriginals%2f43%2f7c%2f07%2f437c07bdca51e4635b14301e466ef333.jpg&cdnurl=https%3a%2f%2fth.bing.com%2fth%2fid%2fR.c8f661ea0b37acf1541fb95eb1b2a2fd%3frik%3dw3SiMd4DmY4mNg%26pid%3dImgRaw%26r%3d0&exph=1944&expw=2592&q=arsenal+stadium+emirates+facade&simid=608027834558659982&FORM=IRPRST&ck=83617ABF631304395F6EAABD95228F71&selectedIndex=0&ajaxhist=0&ajaxserp=0

::::::https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=YE0FMVra&id=AF0672046F83320C02EB2A1AE6754B46CE282C17&thid=OIP.YE0FMVralMWWagRiNshMmAHaE7&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fhips.hearstapps.com%2fhmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com%2fimages%2fhighbury-stadium-arsenal-front-london-portico-1536936174.jpg%3fresize%3d980%3a*&cdnurl=https%3a%2f%2fth.bing.com%2fth%2fid%2fR.604d05315ada94c5966a046236c84c98%3frik%3dFywozkZLdeYaKg%26pid%3dImgRaw%26r%3d0&exph=653&expw=980&q=arsenal+stadium+highbury+facade&simid=607999749779817553&FORM=IRPRST&ck=D5C8B4815A489258B4D75B1186138619&selectedIndex=0&ajaxhist=0&ajaxserp=0 888dave888holly888 (talk) 19:53, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

:::::::Emirates obviously pay the Premier League and the BBC. Are they also paying you, Wikipedia? 888dave888holly888 (talk) 20:15, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

::::::::and not UEFA 888dave888holly888 (talk) 20:17, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Arsenal's more hardcore fans (through a group known as RedAction) were (unusually for British football) involved in the development of the stadium in that they worked with the club to select an area in which the fans who tended to lead the chanting and singing would be able to sit (or in fact mostly stand) together. The club recognised RedAction two years before the opening of the new stadium (again an unusual move for what was a non-official grouping) and a location (directly opposite the away fans section) was agreed.

The move was significant in that Highbury had been known among supporters as being a particularly quiet stadium, and the focussing of the noisiest supporters in one section undoubtedly helped increase the volume of the support.

By autumn 2007 the effect of RedAction was seen to be expanding across the lower tier behind the goal at the northern end, as their scarf waving activities caught on among other supporters.

Ticket prices and attendance

Although Arsenal prices are recognised as among the highest in club football anywhere in the world, Arsenal have sought to keep prices down. In particular, Carling Cup matches, in which the manager normally selects a reserve team, and even includes some youth players on occasion, are normally priced at a much lower level than EPL games.

Despite the fact that lesser known players turn out for such games Carling Cup matches at the Emirates are sold out as quickly as other matches. Indeed such is the popularity of the stadium that in 2006 a youth cup match attracted a record 32,000 to the stadium.

:All very interesting, but what is your point? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.254.70.190 (talk) 15:35, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Please note that the capacity of the Emirates Stadium's capacity has been officially changed from 60,432 to 60,355. Please see the Chairman's report in Arsenal plc's financial report of May 2007 and the Official Matchday Programme of Arsenal v Bolton Wanderers dated 20th October 2007, in the Q & A section, page 59. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.203.116.210 (talk) 10:06, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

I suspect this has been tampered with at some point, can someone who edits article this regularly fix it? --128.16.12.204 (talk) 12:11, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

One for Qwghlm I think but [http://www.stuff.co.nz/4338908a18075.html] says there is some fancy method available for assisting with grass growth since the stadium's architecture doesn't allow sunlight to reach all of the pitch during winter. Know any more about it? 81.77.136.231 (talk) 17:11, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

:Ah, google gives info from [http://www.arsenal.com/emiratesstadium/article.asp?article=375035&Title=Super+surface+at+Emirates&lid=the+stadium+-+Latest+News Super surface at Emirates] [http://www.arsenal.com/emiratesstadium/article.asp?article=319313&Title=Gunners+pitch+perfect&lid=the+stadium+-+Latest+News Gunners pitch perfect] [http://www.sglconcept.com/en/news20051001.htm Arsenal leading light (by the manufacturers)] and [http://www.iog.org/images/arsenals_paul_burgess.pdf Arsenal’s Paul Burgess uses technology to put grounds management in the spotlight]. 81.77.136.231 (talk) 20:10, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

According to Premier League Handbook 2009/10 [http://www.premierleague.com/staticFiles/bc/3b/0,,12306~146364,00.pdf] Emirates pitch size is 105m by 68m. This figure is registered at the start of the season and can not be changed during the season. Furthermore, UEFA regulations require that size where construction permits. (Varmenni (talk) 20:09, 12 February 2010 (UTC))

Does anyone have any objection to a section showing the progressive record attendance? Goonerak (talk) 19:17, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Is there any capacity for expansion of the ground?. With a lot of new stadiums being built around Europe, especially in England, the size of Emirates will lose it's advantage over smaller grounds. Plus, the club comfortable draw 60,000 a game, and could probably host closed to 100,000. Was this envisioned when the stadium was built, otherwise Arsenal might outgrow their new home fairly quickly.

:There is no potential to increase the height of the stadium as this has been restricted by the local planning authority. There has been talk of building downwards - how feasible this is I couldn't say. They could reduce the width of the seats as they are very spacious for an average person.--[[User:Goonerak|

Should this be mentioned in the articles, most other stadium articles have a section about future developments and expansion, and it might be an idea to add something about the difficulties and unlikeness of this happening at the Emirates. Lord Cornwallis (talk) 03:06, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

:The question of capacity isn't an issue of getting narrower seats or of demand, but getting people into and out of the area - I have no sources for this, but obvious as it's a nightmare after a game, so until the tubes in the area under goes a major upgrade, it ain't gonna happen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.254.70.190 (talk) 15:40, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I've always suspected it might be something to do with transport. The railways around there aren't so bad, as football grounds go, but I doubt it would be fun trying to disperse 100,000 with the current stations. I'll try and find a source for this, as it seems worth of brief inclusion in the article. Lord Cornwallis (talk) 05:28, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I have included a section on this in the article. I go over safe-standing, expansion methods and current regulations. Currently, the stadium is comfortably under the local architecture height limit. It is the local authority capacity limitations at Holloway Road Tube Station and Arsenal Tube Station that limit attendance. I have 'Arsenal Legend's tour' guide, Perry Groves as a source for this though I do not have anything in writing to prove it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.109.197.58 (talk) 18:15, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

I think that fact that says that every Premier League match has been a sellout should be removed because its not true.

The best example I can use that can prove why its false is because the game today (Blackburn) was NOT a sellout because (according to Arsenal's website) tickets were still on sale on the day of the match so that makes this "fact" a falsehood The C of E (talk) 20:26, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

There's some pretty major stuff happening that really should be included especially the players surrounding the stadium and Armory Square. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.109.106.8 (talk) 04:14, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Does anyone know what the UEFA ranking of this stadium is. They recently changed their ranking system. Wembley is a category 4. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wakeyjamie (talk • contribs) 11:39, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

[http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/vuvuzelas-not-welcome- Well, well, well] it looks like Arsenal have banned the vuvuzela from the Emirates (Thank the Lord!) Should this great news be included in the article? The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 10:47, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

I do get the feeling that to keep this article up to date, we need a new picture in the opening box of the stadium including all the murals they've put around the outside. Can someone do this The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 08:42, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

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Refer to discussion under Arsenal F.C. - its generally agreed that the location is Highbury N5. 188.223.195.138 (talk) 10:42, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

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If the title of this article is Emirates Stadium, it doesn't seem to make sense for the opening line to be "Ashburton Grove, known for sponsorship reasons as the Emirates Stadium". The reverse ("Emirates Stadium, called Ashburton Grove by some supporters") would seem more logical. And let's be honest here - the name "Emirates Stadium" is more widely used in the footballing world for this stadium. The current intro makes it sound like Ashburton Grove is the common name for the stadium, which may have been the case in 2006 but is not now. 12.239.145.114 (talk) 23:39, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

:Agree. If some supporters prefer the name "Ashburton Grove," that's their choice but it is not the official name of the stadium. I'm changing it. 71.205.174.204 (talk) 16:25, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

::Reversed, see WP:LEAD. It's formal name is 'Ashburton Grove' because that is the geographical name of the site, and therefore is appropriate to lead the article. By your logic, North Korea should not start off as: "The Democratic People's Republic of Korea..." -- Lemonade51 (talk) 16:48, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

:::Nonsense. Emirates paid for the official naming rights. The fact that some fans won't accept the sponsorship is no reason for this encyclopedia, which is supposed to take a neutral point of view, to take their lead. 108.254.160.23 (talk) 03:30, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

:::Agreed. Emirates Stadium is the official name, and references to the use of the informal Ashburton Grove should be removed. Palaeozoic99 (talk) 16:48, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

::::While I agree that Emirates Stadium should be used, I don't think reference to Ashburton Grove should be removed as it is an alternative name used unofficially same as Brisbane Cricket Ground is also known as The Gabba. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 18:54, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

:::::I can understand having "Ashburton Grove" in there as an alternate name, but we should not open the article with it. 108.254.160.23 (talk) 21:46, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

::::::This edit is wrong. Look at the pages of other stadiums with sponsorship names. Etihad stadium in Melbourne is universally known as Etihad stadium however the wikipedia article introduces it as "Docklands stadium, known as Etihad stadium for sponsorship reasons". This should be changed back. In fact I'm in favour of calling the entire page Ashburton Grove. If Higbury's page is titled Arsenal Stadium then surely this should be titled Ashburton Grove. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.107.71.83 (talk) 05:34, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

:::::::If what you say is true, then that page is in error, not this one. This is an encyclopedia, not a fan site. Peoples' dislike of corporate sponsorship should not be a factor in what we title an article. Emirates Stadium is this facility's legal name, just as Arsenal Stadium was the legal name of its predecessor. Alternate names can be mentioned in the article at some point. 108.254.160.23 (talk) 17:34, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

We should add somewhere that the ticket prices are notoriously high at the Emirates, and were recently (not sure if still are) the highest priced tickets in the league. Let me know if you think it should be added in, and we can make some changes. [http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2219460/Big-rise-football-ticket-prices-revealed--Arsenal-expensive.html] Adamh4 (talk) 15:11, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

:No, forget it! Ticket prices don't belong in any good encyclopedia! --Aliwal2012 (talk) 22:51, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

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The owner of the Stadium is in fact, Sir Jesse Lingard OBE. I do not appreciate this slander on his name and fully expect the change to be done swiftly and promptly. If you do not comply, there will be a contract of 5 million dollars on the table. 195.194.131.200 (talk) 09:26, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

:File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ― A Poor Historian (talk) 09:42, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

::{{ping|A Poor Historian}} please be aware of WP:NLT. GiantSnowman 10:00, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

:::{{Reply|GiantSnowman}} Thanks for the advise. I shall report it in the future. ― A Poor Historian (talk) 10:08, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

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change the "Owner" from Manchester United player's name ("Jesse Lingard") back to "Arsenal Holdings plc" (He didn't own nothing ... subbed off early in a 2-0 loss :) 49.224.159.93 (talk) 02:26, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

:Done, by Heolkpop – Thjarkur (talk) 16:27, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

On 22 May 2017 at 22:31 BST (UTC+01:00),[4]:3.8 a suicide bomber detonated an improvised explosive device, packed with nuts and bolts to act as shrapnel, in the foyer area of the Manchester Arena. The attack took place after an Ariana Grande concert that was part of her 2017 Dangerous Woman Tour.[5][6] 14,200 people attended the concert.[7] Many exiting concert-goers and waiting parents were in the foyer at the time of the explosion. According to evidence presented at the coroner's inquest, the bomb was strong enough to kill people up to 20 metres (66 ft) away.[8]

Greater Manchester Police declared the incident a terrorist attack and suicide bombing. It was the deadliest attack in the United Kingdom since the 7 July 2005 London bombings.[4]:3

Aftermath

About three hours after the bombing, police conducted a controlled explosion on a suspicious item of clothing in Cathedral Gardens. This was later confirmed to have been abandoned clothing and not dangerous.[9][10]

Residents and taxi companies in Manchester offered free transport or accommodation via Twitter to those left stranded at the concert.[4]:4.85 Parents were separated from their children attending the concert in the aftermath of the explosion. A nearby hotel served as a shelter for people displaced by the bombing, with officials directing separated parents and children there.[4]:4.85 Manchester's Sikh temples (gurdwaras) along with local homeowners, hotels and venues offered shelter to survivors of the attack.[11]

British military personnel alongside armed police as part of Operation Temperer in response to the raised threat level

Manchester Victoria railway station, which is partly underneath the arena, was evacuated and closed, and services were cancelled.[5][12] The explosion caused structural damage to the station, which remained closed until the damage had been assessed and repaired, resulting in disruption to train and tram services.[13] The station reopened to traffic eight days later, following the completion of police investigation work and repairs to the fabric of the building.[4]:4.57

After a COBRA meeting with Greater Manchester's Chief Constable, Ian Hopkins, on 23 May, Prime Minister Theresa May announced that the UK's terror threat level[14] was raised to "critical", its highest level.[4]:5.247 The threat level remained critical until 27 May, when it was reduced to its previous level of severe.[15] In the aftermath of the attack Operation Temperer was activated for the first time, allowing up to 5,000 soldiers to reinforce armed police in protecting parts of the country.[16][17][18] Tours of the Houses of Parliament and the Changing of the Guard ceremony at Buckingham Palace were cancelled on 24 May, and troops were deployed to guard government buildings in London.[19]

On 23 May, the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, via the Nashir Telegram channel, claimed the attack was carried out by "a soldier of the Khilafah". The message called the attack "an endeavor to terrorize the mushrikin, and in response to their transgressions against the lands of the Muslims."[20][21][22] Abedi's sister said that he was motivated by revenge for Muslim children killed by American airstrikes in Syria.[23][24]

The Arena remained closed until September 2017, with scheduled concerts either cancelled or moved to other venues.[25] It reopened on 9 September, with a benefit concert featuring Noel Gallagher and other acts associated with North West England.[26]

May announced an extra £13 million reimbursement from central government to Manchester's public services for most of the costs incurred by the attack in January 2018.[27] Later that month, Chris Parker, a homeless man who stole from victims of the attack, was jailed for 4 years and three months.[28] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.68.116.44 (talk) 03:47, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

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The correct name is The Arsenal Stdium (currently sponsored by an airline) 62.255.225.218 (talk) 11:35, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

:{{Not done}}. It's not clear what changes you want to make. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 13:52, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Need to add the Men's Rugby League World Cup 2021 semi final, the first non-football sporting event to take place at the stadium on 12/11/2022 (delay due to COVID). England Vs Samoa. 86.1.108.214 (talk) 13:27, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

The Emirates Stadium (known as Arsenal Stadium for UEFA competitions) nicknamed “The Carpet” is a football stadium in Holloway, London, England. Ashwals (talk) 18:48, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

:You need a source for that. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 22:49, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

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In July 2023, Arsenal unveiled an official statue of Wenger holding the “Invincible” Premier League trophy outside the Emirates Stadium, joining the likes of Dennis Bergkamp, Tony Adams, and Herbert Chapman to be commemorated in such a way outside the stadium Drcool 25 (talk) 03:46, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

:File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Recoil16 (talk) 10:42, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

::https://www.arsenal.com/news/arsene-wenger-statue-unveiled-emirates-stadium Drcool 25 (talk) 08:27, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Arctic monkeys preformed here June 16th-18th 2033! Just wanted to let you guys know :) Oklolsies (talk) 02:37, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

:Find an WP:RS for it and it might be able to be included, but I suspect that might be too WP:TRIVIAL to include. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 09:22, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

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add arctic monkeys to the other uses section, 3 concerts held last year 2A00:23C5:39A9:DB01:B553:1AEC:8448:9402 (talk) 12:00, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

:File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 14:52, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

::[https://www.arsenal.com/news/arctic-monkeys-play-emirates-stadium-1 Arctic Monkeys to play at Emirates Stadium | Event | News | Arsenal.com]

::[https://www.standard.co.uk/culture/music/arctic-monkeys-at-emirates-stadium-review-b1088690.html Arctic Monkeys at Emirates Stadium review | Evening Standard]

::[https://www.radiox.co.uk/artists/arctic-monkeys/setlist-london-emirates-stadium-fri-16th-june-review/ Arctic Monkeys at London's Emirates Stadium: Review & setlist - Radio X] Freddiew14 (talk) 22:04, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

The London Chess Classic, an international chess tournement was held at the emirates in December 2024. The event was won by British Chess Grandmaster, Gwain Jones. promotion of british chess is a must. Even if the winner is a rugby fan. WolfZola (talk) 21:19, 23 December 2024 (UTC)