Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2024#New article

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Please change Ukraine televote in Semi-Final 1 from blank to 5 points to Australia. Aero89012 (talk) 13:54, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.

The claim {{Blockquote|text=Through social media content, Israeli broadcaster Kan also expressed concerns over alleged antisemitism in Malmö, attributing this to the "Islamisation of Europe".}} cites a source that itself only cites a now-deleted Twitter/X account. WP:TWITTER says such posts may only be used as sources if they don't involve third parties, which this does. If this claim can't be substantiated with reliable sources, it should be deleted. LivLovisa (talk) 08:51, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

:I am not following here. The website ESCplus is used as the source as you mentioned. Thus, TWITTER does not apply here. Additionally, both the [https://web.archive.org/web/20240509031115/https://twitter.com/IsrBreaksRules/status/1766877332651077688 post itself] and the [https://web.archive.org/web/20240324120022/https://www.escplus.es/eurovision/2024/es-eurovision-2024-seguro-preocupacion-tras-el-atentado-de-moscu/ article] have been archived. --Super Goku V (talk) 10:33, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

:IvanScrooge98 made the edit in question. To be on the safe side, do you know of a different source IvanScrooge98? --Super Goku V (talk) 10:36, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

::I tried to make a quick search and the only other source I found was also directly citing the tweet, though I remember watching the original KAN video making this statement so I’ll see if I can dig it up – unfortunately, many Eurovision websites decided to limit their coverage on Israel in light of the current events so I think it’s going to be hard. In any case I’m also not convinced WP:TWITTER applies when the tweet is included within a larger article from a third-party source. Thanks for linking to As for the archive, at least for the moment that may suffice to substantiate the article content. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 11:08, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

:::That lines up with my searches sadly. No problem regarding the links, I think. (Can I ask why that is scratched out?) --Super Goku V (talk) 11:17, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

::::Oh, I simply had not noticed the archive link was already included in the page and I was thanking you for providing it :) So I reworded my comment. Btw, if I find anything I’ll update you. Thanks! ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 11:23, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

:::::Oh, so it is... That would have saved me some time. (Off topic, but I just ran the website through the Wayback Machine, which was helpful as that was how I found your edit on March 24th thanks to the auto archiving project archiving on that day. I had tried using the Who Wrote That tool, but that has been down for hours.) In any case, thank you as well and best of luck in your search. --Super Goku V (talk) 11:32, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

::::::A claim of that nature requires much more evidence than one reference; why aren't we seeing more articles on it of it was so impactful? It feels more like a click-bait/reactionary article rather than a news report. Also, ESC Plus is listed as a source we should use with "caution"; it's has not gained its full credit as a WP:RS. The 'investigation' of alternatives really was just an editor's verification of the subject matter when what we actually need is additional reputable sources also reporting on it. Grk1011 (talk) 15:51, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

:::::::Found this related article by Kan from a few days later: https://www.kan.org.il/content/kan-news/local/730236/. It doesn’t refer to antisemitism when discussing Malmö nor to alleged “Islamization of Europe”, but it cites official travel warnings by the National Security Council. Unfortunately I couldn’t find the original social media video the tweet was reporting. In any case you’re right to say we shouldn’t mention it if it can’t back it up. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 16:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

::::::::My understanding was that it was a program that aired on KAN, but regardless it does seem better to remove given the struggle to verify it. --Super Goku V (talk) 11:06, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

::::::::Ah. Looks like it was already taken care of. Thank you for looking into this. --Super Goku V (talk) 11:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

:::::::Ah, didn't know that WP:ESC/S existed. Thank you for the heads up. --Super Goku V (talk) 11:05, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

I have reverted two edits made by IP address 102.119.220.21 that were both disruptive and factually incorrect. They changed Croatia to having won, changed participating countries to 39, and added Montenegro as a returning country. I looked at the IP and these are the only two contributions they have made. Ktkvtsh (talk) 13:52, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

This statement should be removed.{{td|Israel ultimately placed second in the televote and fifth overall in the final, with the former result being partially attributed to a campaign run by the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs to boost public votes.|Israel ultimately placed second in the televote and fifth overall in the final.}}

One of the sources is this{{Cite web |last=Pérez |first=Laura |date=2024-05-17 |title=El Gobierno de Israel confirma que invirtió mucho dinero para fomentar el voto a Eden Golan en Eurovisión 2024 |trans-title=The Government of Israel confirms that it invested a lot of money to encourage the vote for Eden Golan in Eurovision 2024 |url=https://www.eldiario.es/vertele/noticias/gobierno-israel-confirma-invirtio-dinero-fomentar-voto-eden-golan-eurovision-2024_1_11374185.html |access-date=2024-06-04 |website=Vertele |language=es-ES}} Spanish tabloid article, which should be immediately discarded. The second source is this{{Cite news |date=12 May 2024 |title=יש לא מעט הפתעות: אלה המדינות שבהן הקהל נתן 12 נקודות לעדן גולן |trans-title=There are quite a few surprises: these are the countries where the audience gave 12 points to Eden Golan |url=https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/sykjyhaza |url-status=live |archive-url=https://archive.today/20240514143321/https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/sykjyhaza |archive-date=14 May 2024 |work=Ynet |language=he}} Ynet article which does not claim this, it only mentions that there was a campaign.

This also poisons the well by singling this campaign out as unusual, when these campaigns to advertise Eurovision in one way or another are a frequent occurance.https://eurovoix.com/2024/04/27/olly-alexander-promotes-eurovision/https://eurovoix.com/2016/09/16/esc17-kyiv-will-work-promote-ukraine/https://eurovoix.com/2021/11/23/malta-investigation-eurovision-spending-no-irregularities/https://eurovoix.com/2024/04/16/lithuania-dance-campaign-silvester-belt/ LivLovisa (talk) 17:31, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

:Please see the first discussion on the talk page. Additionally, to quote from that discussion, {{tpq|q=y|Once again, the matter at hand is whether or not israel had a voting campaign. And the answer is undoubtedly yes, the several sources provided in the former section confirm it, citing a government official. The impact on the voting is not the topic of our discussion.}}

:Regarding your section sentence, if there is evidence that other campaigns exist in reliable sources, then they should be mentioned as well in the article. To my current recollection, there was a decent amount of reports about the Israel voting campaign, so it is possible that there was more focus on that as a result. --Super Goku V (talk) 10:29, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

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There's a sentence that tries to link to another article and should probably have a year included, but it's missing: "Switzerland won the combined vote and jury vote, and placed fifth in the televote. Croatia won the televote and finished in second place, its best result to date as an independent country, because of {{yugoslavia]] win in . " 109.206.219.4 (talk) 14:01, 17 May 2025 (UTC)