Talk:Francesco Totti

I think i new picture is needed. That picture barely captures what he even looks like. And contains a second person.

• "when he received his second yellow card for un-existent penalty area diving"
• "Unhappily, in the 2001/02 campaign Roma finished runners-up to Juventus"

un-existent? who are you to say? penalty is...when referee blow the whistle. isn't it? a little lack of NPOV I think.

Unhappily for who? for him? for you? I don't think it's so important if it's been happily or unhappily...maybe specify for who.

--necronudist 16:48, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

I am going to delete the section about Totti's personal life because he is not married to elton john.

--smokie81 Dec. 10/05

I added some information about his chaildhood, personal life and additioanl information. As well as some deep information about his last season.

If i had some wrong words in spielling, please correct it for me.

:It's okay, I've corrected some mistakes and you added a lot of useful info.Burning phoneix 10:37, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I hope you'll like the new image...

any reason this doesn't touch on his various bans for serious foul play? i.e. stomping on chests after being tackled? FordTuffinIt 14:07, 30 June 2006 (UTC)…

:I would guess that it has to do with the lack of articles in English that could be used as a refrence. I've looked around but haven't found much. Perhaps someone who could read Italian could find something.....Highly Calculated 05:34, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Serious POV/style issues - as it is, the article reads more like fanboy writing than an encyclopedia entry. It would behoove editors who wrote this article to read: WP:NPOV, WP:V, WP:PEACOCK. I don't want to be uncivil, but this article is a joke.

Totti is a creative attacker or midfielder that shows perfect vision and not only is he a fantastic athlete but he is renowned for his superb technique and knowledge of the game. - seriously?

So where do we start salvaging this article? Ytny 12:35, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

: If somebody can define, as you did, Takayuki Morimoto a young Ronaldo, then everything is possible!!! Totti is generally considered one of the best players in the world. If you don't agree, this doesn't allow you to put labels of infamity on this page. Are you an administrator or what? By the way Jimmy Wales is safe and sound... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.52.97.206 (talk • contribs)

Apples and oranges. I didn't compare Morimoto to Ronaldo; I quoted an independent and respected observer who did (and he said, as I noted, that Morimoto's size and speed made him comparable to Ronaldo, not the quality or results). Big difference. So yeah, my criticism of this article still stands.

If he is "generally considered one of the best players in the world" (which I agrew with - when did i ever say I didn't?), then how hard would it be to find a neutral, reputable observer say so? Or find some objective criteria that makes the point? Ytny 06:34, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay, what's it going to take to get these tags off of the top of this page? I would like for Ytny to please provide us with specific areas of the text that should be fixed or you find objectionable. It just seems that nothing is being done and if you can give me specific areas to make more neutral then I can try my best, I just want those tags to be taken off of the page at some point. -KingPenguin 16:33, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

: Sorry, I should have been clearer - I tried to start the discussion above at Talk:Francesco Totti#Jimmy Wales would be spinning in his grave if he read this article. It's been a while since I went through the entire article, but the introduction definitely comes off like a fanzine, i.e. "Totti is celebrated for his powerful finish" (WP:Peacock).

: Basically, any opinion or subjective claim that is unsourced, like "beautiful" and "considered to be" need to go, and the footnote "In defense of Totti, Poulsen has developed a reputation for a dirty player." is blatantly POV. Ytny 21:30, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

::Okay, I've tried to make it more neutral, I'll let you judge the article now and remove the tags if you think it's fixed. -KingPenguin 00:36, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

::What if we report that Poulsen had been recognized as a provoker? And if this line is POV, what about "Snotti"?--Kwame Nkrumah 08:37, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

::In general, please mark exactly what you do not like. And, furthermore, do not revert blindly, you removed other uncontroversial edits. --Kwame Nkrumah 08:40, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

:::Now what did I remove that was uncontroversial? All I changed was the opening paragraph, the defense of Poulsen, and changed one line that said "an impressive number [of goals] for a midfielder", nothing else. A long time ago I also removed some of the additional information because it was redundant in the article. Totti's my favorite player, I'm just trying to end this dispute. -KingPenguin 10:42, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

::::I was talking to Ytny, and indented my edit accordingly (increase the indent level of one when you answer to someone, it will be clearer to whom you are answering).--Kwame Nkrumah 13:42, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

:::::The entire topic is buggered if you ask me. There's no a single cite or reference for any of the tidbits of information. Meanwhile the whole "in Totti's defence" regarding spitting at someone. That is not a defence, nor an excuse and is blatantly POV and should be struck from the record. A few Italians whining about how he played in a certain game does not a 'dirty' player make. Not when the same accusation could be thrown back at the notorious, whining crybaby, diving, flailing armed, mucus spitting Totti.--80.194.166.68 00:24, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Why was the Image changed? We had a recent one with him winning the Worldcup, this new pic isnt recent at all and I dont want to ever accidently look at a males crotch while there legs are open. So new image or no? Can we have a pic of him actually on the pitch? I wanted to ask before I changed it.

:Because this image is copyright-verifiable and the last one was deleted because it infringed on copyright. If you're going to change the image then make sure either you took the photo or you have permission from someone who did or else it will be quickly deleted due to the high traffic that goes across this page. -KingPenguin 13:12, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

::At least find one that has him with short-hair, he's been gone with the long hair for a while now and it isn't an accurate representation of the current-day him. -Xatticus 0:16, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Providing two references (both featuring interviews with the same person, no less) doesn't negate the point-of-view. It's still point-of-view whether the words come from Pelé's mouth or someone else's. - Dudesleeper · Talk 13:31, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Dear Ellipsis, i can't understand why you undid the edit about AS Roma's eleven consecutive matches record. AC Milan didn't win 11 timely consecutive matches: despite of precompiled timeline, one of the match was played some months later, because of World Championship for football teams. That's why nobody in Italy thinks about Milan as previous record owner: every books of records talks about 10 consecutive matches (referring to three teams, Bologna, Juventus and who knows...). I think that the right policy about this is joining to Italian point of view. In the same way, in 2006-2007 Inter beated Roma's record, growing up to 17 consecutive matches: if you look at precompiled timeline, you can note that these 17 matches are broken by Inter-Roma match. Actually, that match was played some time later then 17th match. In Italy, everyone refers to Inter as the team who won 17 consecutive match. Please, re-edit the page in accurate way.

:Apart from the fact that we are talking about an alleged record which lasted only a few months before being broken by Inter, Milan's series of victories in 1989-1990 is as follows, so I do not see where you are coming from. Here we have eleven victories in a row, which Roma matched and did not beat two seasons ago.

:17a GIORNATA 30 dic 1989 MARCATORI

:Bari - Milan 0-1 Van Basten

:18a GIORNATA 07 gen 1990 MARCATORI

:Milan - Cesena 3-0 Donadoni, Tassotti, Van Basten rig.

:19a GIORNATA 14 gen 1990 MARCATORI

:Lazio - Milan 1-3 Amarildo (LA), Massaro, Fuser, Colombo (MI)

:20a GIORNATA 17 gen 1990 MARCATORI

:Milan - Atalanta 3-1 Caniggia (AT), Van Basten 3 (MI)

:21a GIORNATA 21 gen 1990 MARCATORI

:Udinese - Milan 0-2 Van Basten 2

:22a GIORNATA 28 gen 1990 MARCATORI

:Milan - Genoa 1-0 Massaro

:23a GIORNATA 04 feb 1990 MARCATORI

:Fiorentina - Milan 2-3 Baggio rig., Kubik (FI), Massaro, Van Basten 2 rig. (MI)

:24a GIORNATA 11 feb 1990 MARCATORI

:Milan - Napoli 3-0 Massaro, Maldini, Van Basten

:25a GIORNATA 18 feb 1990 MARCATORI

:Milan - Cremonese 2-1 Massaro, Van Basten (MI)

:26a GIORNATA 25 feb 1990 MARCATORI

:Roma - Milan 0-4 Tempestilli aut., Van Basten 2, Massaro

:27a GIORNATA 04 mar 1990 MARCATORI

:Milan - Ascoli 2-1 Stroppa, Tassotti (MI)

:Ellipsis4677 09:46, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

You are both wrong, in the sense that in the middle of this series Milan played against Verona (final score 0-0). That match had to be played in december 1989, but Milan was in Japan for Intercontinental Cpu. So, it is wrong to say that Milan won 11 consecutive matches, because consecutive means "one after the other" (in time, and not in match index); in the same way, it is wrong to say that one of 11 matches was post-played, because Milan-Verona was out of these eleven.

Italian Football League, following the idea that consecutive means 'consecutive in time', has never said Milan won 11 matches, neither someone else in Italy did (or maybe only some Milan supporter.... :-) ). For the correctness of this encyclopedia, it is better to follow what Italian Football League tells about the record: in this case, only AS Roma arrived to 11 consecutive matches. It is true that the record lasted only few months, but this doesn't allow us to be wrong.

In 1989-1990 Milan won 7 consecutive matches. Milan-Verona (which was planned for dicember 17th 1989) was actually played after Fiorentina-Milan and before Milan-Napoli. Until 2006, the record of 10 consecutive won matches was owned by Juventus (1931-'32, trainer Carlo Carcano), Milan (1950-'51 trainer Lajos Czeizler) and Bologna (1963-'64, trainer Fulvio Bernardini). If Ellipsis can read italian, can easily see that AS Roma is the first team to win 11 consecutive matches, ad ex. searching on Google the string "record 11 vittorie consecutive". For love of correctness, this is a sentence in the article of "Repubblica" (one of the principal italian newspaper) talking about Roma - Lazio 2-0 : "La squadra di Spalletti ha quindi stabilito il nuovo record di vittorie consecutive: undici." (which means: Spalletti's team has reached the new consecutive won matches record:eleven).

So, Ellipsis, you should re-edit the article in the right way. For the future, it is important that you read the facts in a objective way, accepting that if someone change the text, that is for improve it and not for vandalism. Why didn't you analize the history of the championship in depht before undoing?

I have this page on my watchlist. Mind if I ask why does that personal achievment keep being removed? Udonknome (talk) 17:14, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

:It has no place being listed in his "Honours" section: it's no bigger an accolade than being man-of-the-match in a Serie A game (larger stage, yes, but the accolade remains the same). It should only be mentioned in the prose (which it is), as is the case with other player articles. - Dudesleeper / Talk 19:52, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

::Makes sense. Thanks. Udonknome (talk) 19:54, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

is he a natural trequartista or attacking midfielder ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.162.3.156 (talk) 05:58, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

His natural position is as a trequartista, but at todays Roma he is more used in a free forward role. The TriZ (talk) 22:38, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Everyone knows Totti played against Sampdoria on October 28 2008, this match was rained off after 6 mins and played another 84 mins on January 14 2009 without him. How can we count his appearance? 405 or 406? What Serie A rules about rescheduled match?

I'm Thai, sorry for my language.Tontotti (talk) 15:50, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

:Since it was stopped and then resumed on another date, it's obviously one game, so it counts as one appearance. Oh, and Totti's career section needs some kind of an update, as it's stagnated since the Coppa Italia win last year. sixtynine ^{• spill it •} 06:12, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

::Thank you. I'll change his appearances from 406 to 407 (11 to 12 in 2008/09 season). It's not an abandon match but just stop and resume in one match, the fact is Totti have played 6 mins. This problem was resolved, Raisport online counted his appearance against Sampdoria already.

::*[http://www.speciali.raisport.rai.it/calcio/seriea/scheda_giocatore.shtml?1502 Totti's current statistics on Raisport website]

::*[http://www.speciali.raisport.rai.it/calcio/seriea/tabellino.shtml?172736 Roma vs Sampdoria match report on Raisport website]

::About an update, I have his information but my language is very poor, still need your help. Tontotti (talk) 05:36, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

The appearance with Sampdoria did not count, because Totti was not there in the replay game. Those are the rules of the Lega Calcio for the resumed games after an interruption. In Italy it is like that. For example the most important sport newspaper in Italy (Gazzetta dello Sport) did not count that appearance in Totti's season. The things are like this, you can check on the different Italian official websites (sport newspaper, Romafans....)--87.20.94.241 (talk) 14:44, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

::I've seen in The Lega Calcio official website in Totti's page, now today (as of 16 Feb 2009) is 14 appearances in this season, that means Lega Calcio already count 6 mins against Sampdoria for Totti, Lega Calcio count everything not only games but also minutes, Total minutes. So 6 mins can't ignore in any reason. This case Gazzetta or any website in the world should trust and follow Lega Calcio isn't it? If Gazzetta don't follow, It's not Totti's problems. Please show the external link that Lega Calcio says 13 appearances to discuss. Thank you.

::*[http://www.lega-calcio.it/it/Serie-A-TIM/Giocatore.page?idplayer=476F3C90-A061-74D9-8FD6-49146345BF89 Totti's current statistics on Lega Calcio official website]

::Tontotti (talk) 20:00, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

How can we consider which award is a magazine-voted award or a media-voted award, suitable for footballer in wikipedia article?

Why Guerin d'Oro should remove from player's honour? I think Guerin d'Oro should include in honour because they collect real ratings from 4 medias every match, every week and calculate to a complete season to find the best player. Only present by Guerin. It's not a single magazine-voted award or give the fans, subscriber or internet users vote (ex: World Soccer magazine from UK).

Why Ballon d'Or from France Football magazine should include despite It's really a madia-voted award. Because Ballon d'Or only the most prestigious? Maybe, If we change the rules in note from "no magazine-voted" to "no single magazine-voted", it would be better? I think if award come from multi-magazine decision, it should include. What do you think about this?

Tontotti (talk) 17:36, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

i am rafi from sudan return to azzuri

for us —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.209.72.221 (talk) 10:54, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

The introduction to this article reads like a fan page and contains several errors:

• 1. Peacock language such as "universally considered as one of the greatest players of his generation and in the annals of European football". No matter how references we put, that is still not true nor encyclopedic.

: I think the words is too long, with just "regarded as one of the greatest players of his generation" is okay. Nothing more or less than references. Tontotti (talk) 03:53, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

• 2. The introduction comments exclusively on the positive sides of Totti's career. While an excellent player, he is also one of the most controversial players in Europe. The incident when he spitted on the Danish player and was suspended for several matches, and then the recent incident when he chased after Balotelli to kick him down from behind are just two cases that have resulted in negative headlines and very critical comments about Totti's character. These incidents are just as relevant as his skills with the ball.Jeppiz (talk) 18:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

: If anyone have a good or reliable reference sites, just edit it with encyclopedic, but in my opinion, still think his real controversial is just 2 incidents, not relevant than his 2 decades football achivement. Just my opinion. Tontotti (talk) 03:53, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

:I absolutely do not agree, how can two small isolated incidents be as relevant as his football skills? Ask yourself, for what is he famous for? Why does he have an article here in Wikipedia? The TriZ (talk) 08:33, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

::With all due respect, your language display your lack of objectivity, calling it two "small isolated" incidents. Both have made major headlines. I realise that as a fan of Totti, you want the article about him to be as positive as possible but Wikipedia is about presenting a neutral and balanced view.Jeppiz (talk) 10:51, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

:I have added more references, improved the previous links and seperated it for more clearer. Please carefully read, you could found support sentences "greatest or finest player in his generation". To be honest, I'm still think this is not a fan page, with words such as "infamy" or "infamous" in this article, no fan page have the words like these. In my opinion, I think the words "one of the most controversial players in Europe" is too harsh to put in his introduction because his really bad behavior (2 incidents) not equal his achievement both club and individual. Tontotti (talk) 20:28, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Do we really need three almost identical images of Totti's back in a row? 46.9.48.25 (talk) 12:39, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Are the numbers true?

I juz found him scored 6 goals only, why would the scoring numbers be 11?

if so, he should be named as the top scorers' list that year! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Em 88 (talk • contribs) 16:38, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

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== Assists ==

Interesting info about Totti's career assist numbers published:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC9tlZOmWXo&lc=z22gj1fg1paxzzkt1acdp43ahb5exhmerdavhsr2lw5w03c010c

https://www.chiesaditotti.com/2019/9/21/20876923/every-assist-totti-ever-made-with-roma

I am considering adding some of this to the article

Pedantic Bonsay (talk) 20:39, 11 October 2019 (UTC)