Talk:Fred Rogers#Requested move 16 May 2025

The article says: “Through an ancestor who immigrated from Germany to the U.S…”; I think that that should be, “Through an ancestor who emigrated from Germany to the U.S…” or, “Through an ancestor who immigrated to the U.S from Germany…” - but have left it alone for now, as I don’t know if that’s a difference between U.S. and British English. Jock123 (talk) 10:03, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

:You make a good point. Based on several online sources I could find, including [https://www.grammarly.com/blog/emigrate-immigrate/ this one], this should probably be changed to "emigrated from..." From the linked article:

:* Immigrate means to live in a country that is not your country of origin. It is often used with to.

:* Emigrate means to leave your country of origin and live someplace else. It is often used with from.

:FCGreg (talk) 23:56, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

::Believing that this is correct, I have gone ahead and made this edit. Thank you for catching that! Northern-Virginia-Photographer (talk) 17:19, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

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Hello neighbors, I was wondering if any of these images would work better for the infobox. I have recently uploaded them to commons, and I do admit that a review of their copyright status by a user more experienced than myself may be beneficial. If these pass the copyright test, would you be inclined to use them, or are they too pixel-y? And if neither suffices for any reason, I kindly ask that dedicated editors may search for a colored image of Rogers with proper license, which would be great for this article. Thank you. 𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝) 02:06, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

:When searched on Tineye, the 1988 photograph says its copyright [https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-mr-rogers-neighborhood-fred-rogers-1966-2001-128708219.html belongs to "Everett Collection Inc / Alamy Stock Photo"]. The other one might be okay somewhere deep in the article but I think we need to keep searching for high quality public domain photos.The lorax (talk) 18:26, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

{{requested move/dated|Mister Rogers}}

:Fred Rogers → {{no redirect|Mister Rogers}} – Mister Rogers is the name more commonly referred to by reliable sources and the general public. The Ngrams favor that title: https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Fred+Rogers%2C+Mister+Rogers&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3 Interstellarity (talk) 12:36, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose, for consistency with articles on other TV personalities like Phil McGraw (instead of just {{noredirect|Dr. Phil}}, see its last RM), Judy Sheindlin (instead of just {{noredirect|Judge Judy}}, see its last RM), and Mehmet Oz (instead of just {{noredirect|Dr. Oz}}, see its last RM). "Mister Rodgers" could also refer to his television show Mister Rogers' Neighborhood, like "Dr. Phil" could also refer to Dr. Phil (talk show), or "Judge Judy" could also refer to her Judge Judy show, or "Dr. Oz" could also refer to The Dr. Oz Show. Zzyzx11 (talk) 13:21, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose - Per {{u|Zzyzx11}} - FlightTime (open channel) 13:43, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

:Oppose, obviously. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 17:38, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose per Zzyzx11 and per WP:NCBIO which calls for First and Last name in most cases (and possibly COMMONNAME). He's possibly {{em|more}} commonly known as "Mister Rogers" but "Fred Rogers" is {{em|sufficiently}} common and is the best article title in light of the various considerations. The Ngram is actually closer than I would have predicted. Considering the show's popularity, and the fact that "Mister Rogers" can refer to the man or the show, and that every mention of Mister Rogers' Neighborhood in print will contain the string "Mister Rogers", I would have expected a much larger lead. Even if only 10% of the "Mister Rogers" results refer to the show and the other 90% to the man, "Fred Rogers" is actually more common by 2022.--MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 19:54, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose even if the ngrams were completely accurate, although I think they're somewhat off as mentioned above. Also, as far as I know he never presented himself as "Mister Rodgers". He was Fred Rodgers in the real world largely, and is credited so in Neighborhood, I believe. Without more evidence, there isn't enough to show Mister Rodgers is so much more the COMMONNAME to override our general preference to use a person's chosen name. As far as I know, he didn't use it as a pen or WP:STAGENAME, unlike say Dr. Seuss. I looked through various signed items by Rodgers and it seems a mix of Fred and Mister (probably depending if he was signing as him or as his character). Skynxnex (talk) 11:57, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:Oppose, as "Fred Rogers", is his first and last name. "Mister", is more in line with his character on the show "Mister Roger's Neighborhood". TheClocksAlwaysTurn (The Clockworks) (contribs) 15:26, 20 May 2025 (UTC)