Talk:Frederick Soddy

More tiresome vandalism removed. It is ALWAYS by unregistered users. --GwydionM 17:59, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Put in information citation about Soddy and the Technocracy Study Course... which used Soddy as a reference point... because of his excellent writing on money. skip sievert (talk) 20:48, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

:That reference probably isn't good enough, at least in regard to the newsreel. It amounts to someone saying they saw a newsreel once, and giving their interpretation of it. Did Soddy explicitly talk about Technocracy and Social Credit in his book? CRETOG8(t/c) 05:22, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

::At the time every one connected to these ideas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biophysical_economics Thermoeconomics -, was talking about this subject. In multiple countries. Its an official document from the group mentioned. It specifically is quoted in context in the citation. To my knowledge no one has questioned it as not being a good citation source, as this link has been used on other articles on wiki. http://www.technocracy.org/Archives/History%20&%20Purpose-r.htm History and Purpose of Technocracy because of its information content. It is not just someone, it is Howard Scott. It is widely used as an explanatory text both within and without the group mentioned as to information connected. Soddy's book is used as a cited book reference in the Technocracy Study Course link below (In Wealth, Virtual Wealth and Debt (1926), and is still considered as a classic text and referenced widely today. Many other authors connect Soddy with the Technocracy movement, as he did himself... which as quoted, he also connected himself to it.

http://ia341034.us.archive.org/3/items/TechnocracyStudyCourseUnabridged/TechnocracyStudyCourse-NewOpened.pdf

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::Here is another more focused information piece on Soddy and his connection with Ecological Economics http://www.eoearth.org/article/Soddy%2C_Frederick Soddy, Frederick - Encyclopedia of Earth

::Here is more information as to this subject http://books.google.com/books?id=wFcQjW5_QzoC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_summary_r&cad=0#PPA30, A Survey of Ecological Economics:

::Here is another example of another person in another part of the world in very different circumstances than Soddy, who became an advocate for this type of system also in the same time period... when this was a burning issue of the day for many scientists and political and non political players. http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/apr07/page10.html Socialist Standard April 2007 page 10

::Take a look also at this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy_%28bureaucratic%29 Technocracy (bureaucratic) - for more info. skip sievert (talk) 16:23, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

:::I'm not saying you're wrong (or I would have simply removed the material from the article). I'm saying that reference isn't adequate for what you're using it for. I think the reference is perfectly adequate to cite in regards to explaining positions of Technocracy, Inc. It's not adequate to establish positions of Soddy. Lots of organizations love to claim the support of prestigious people.

:::Without reading through all your links thoroughly, I still ask the question: Did Soddy explicitly talk about Technocracy and Social Credit in his book? CRETOG8(t/c) 17:29, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

::::It appears that you are stalking my edits. You did come to my user page and do a personal attack recently. I have provided ample information above. In Wealth, Virtual Wealth and Debt (1926), Soddy turned his attention to the role of energy in economic systems. He criticized the focus on monetary flows in economics, arguing that “real” wealth was derived from the use of energy to transform materials into physical goods and services. Soddy’s writings were largely ignored in his time, but would later be applied to the development of biophysical and ecological economics in the late 20th century http://www.eoearth.org/article/Soddy,_Frederick Soddy, Frederick - Encyclopedia of Earth. Soddy was integral to the development of technocracy design... as said he is cited in their Study Course in the footnotes. skip sievert (talk) 19:26, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

This reads like a prank and as such it is a disservice to those who use Wikipedia as a guide. If there is a factual basis for this section is MUST be footnoted and referenced. If not then the section should be deleted. LAWinans (talk) 23:51, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

:Thanks for catching that LAWinans. skip sievert (talk) 01:49, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

I remember reading Soddy's book on Wealth and being struck by all of the negative language therein about Jews. Is there a good way to talk about his anti-semitism? Arided (talk) 16:48, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

:It would probably be best to find a good source or two for this, and then say that X and Y described Soddy as anti-semitic and explain what they based the claim on. That way Wikipedia preserves its neutral point of view (WP:NPOV), and merely reports what someone else has said. Dirac66 (talk) 00:47, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

:: No doubt some quotes in his own words would be effective, but, I do see him mentioned in passing in [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=My2rlb0bnx0C&pg=PA132&lpg=PA132&dq=frederick+soddy+anti-semite&source=bl&ots=UnaVM6Hqab&sig=9E7asJHdlgn9YP9feJYfjaNlQX8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=xOdYVLjVCvaTsQS_poHgBA&ved=0CDcQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=soddy&f=false Pound in Purgatory: From Economic Radicalism to Anti-semitism]. This sort of thing would be useful for describing his "influence" as well. An additonal reference [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=KTp89jbg4uMC&pg=PA319&dq=soddy+anti-semite&hl=en&sa=X&ei=sulYVN7rJOmIsQTsgILwCg&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=soddy%20anti-semite&f=false here] to "T.S. Eliot and the Major: Sources of Literary Anti-Semitism in the 1930s". Will investigate as time allows. Arided (talk) 15:03, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Finally got around to adding something in a new sub-section of his 'Biography'. Hopefully this is sufficient to get started. Arided (talk) 14:08, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Is all of the evidence of these views from page 322-324 of "Wealth"? Those passages alone seem rather weak to post a whole section on Anti-Semitic views... Soddy seems to be superseding/rejecting anti-semitic views on those very pages when he states that "of the existence of a real conspiracy—a conspiracy of silence—on all monetary problems, in the Press and on political platforms, among editors, publishers and economists, who more than any others ought to be alive and awake to their infinite importance—there can be no question whatever."

Source: https://www.fadedpage.com/books/20140873/html.php

Are there other sources for quotes as well? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.179.36.70 (talk) 01:52, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

In [http://www.degruyter.com/dg/viewarticle.fullcontentlink:pdfeventlink/$002fj$002fract.2012.100.issue-8-9$002fract.2012.1954$002fract.2012.1954.pdf?format=INT&t:ac=j$002fract.2012.100.issue-8-9$002fract.2012.1954$002fract.2012.1954.xml The dawn of radiochemistry in Japan] By H. K. Yoshihara, tells of Satoyasu Iimori studying radiochemistry under the direction of Soddy in 1921-22, but no mention if it was for a doctorate.DadaNeem (talk) 23:40, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

I am confident that in the particular paragraph there are mistakes in the text. In the paragraph begins with "in 1903", it should be identified as the different experiments done by different scientists in the different times. Ramsay and Soddy only verified that the decay of radium emanation produced helium in 1903. It was not verified until the experiment done by Rutherford and Royds in 1908, that the alpha particles are composed of positively charged nuclei of helium.

• [http://rspl.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/72/477-486/204.full.pdf+html William Ramsay, Frederick Soddy (1903). "Experiments in Radioactivity, and the Production of Helium from Radium". Proceedings of the Royal Society of London.72.204 - 207]
• [http://web.lemoyne.edu/~giunta/royds.html Ernest Rutherford, Thomas Royds (1909). "The Nature of the α Particle from Radioactive Substances". Philosophical Magazine.17.281]

In addition, the last sentence is not true. They were Pierre Jansen and Norman Lockyer, who detected helium in the solar spectrum in 1868, instead of Bunsen and Kirchoff. If it is absolutely necessary, the sentence should be rewritten according to the fact as above.

• [http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu//full/1991JBAA..101...95K/0000100.000.html R. K. Kochhar (1991). "French astronomers in India during the 17th - 19th centuries". Journal of the British Astronomical Association.101(2).99]

It is appreciated to be rewritten the paragraph by anybody as what it should be.--Tatsubou (talk) 05:03, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

:Thank you for noticing these errors and also for finding references. I have now corrected the text as suggested concerning helium from radium. And I decided to delete the mention of helium in the solar spectrum, since by 1903 helium had been discovered in terrestrial sources in 1895, so the 1868 solar observations were already ancient history. Dirac66 (talk) 14:22, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

::Thank you for your prompt response and it is the most preferable thing for me as one of the wikipedians.--Tatsubou (talk) 02:50, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

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