Talk:French cruiser Victor Hugo

Hi Sturmvogel 66 and Parsecboy, I have a question about the Serbian Army’s retreat in 1915. In the sentence "At the end of 1915, the French and British decided that the Serbian Army's position in Montenegro and Albania was untenable and that it would have to be evacuated," it sounds like the Allies were making a decision for the Serbian Army to retreat. However, Serbia was already in the process of retreating through Montenegro and Albania at that time. I'm curious—does this mean that Serbia initially intended to hold a position there, or is the sentence referring only to the final evacuation from Albania? I’d really appreciate any clarification! P. ĐĂNG (talk) 04:44, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

:I'm currently traveling and don't have access to most of my library at the moment, so I can't provide a firm answer. The linked article suggests the Serbs intended to be withdrawn from Albania, but it's also a bit thin on details of how the decision was made. Was the Serbian high command in contact with its British and French counterparts? Parsecboy (talk) 09:39, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

::Parsecboy I do not have access to the relevant books at the moment, so I am not entirely sure what specific information they provide in this context. That said, I think the sentence could be refined for clarity, as it currently feels somewhat contradictory. The Serbian Army had already intended to withdraw from Montenegro and Albania, so it seems unclear why the sentence frames the evacuation as a decision made by France and Britain. P. ĐĂNG (talk) 08:24, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

::Sturmvogel 66 and Parsecboy Could you clarify this matter? Given that this is a GA article, I'd appreciate it if you could review it again. P. ĐĂNG (talk) 11:34, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

:::As I said before, I'm traveling and don't have access to most of my books. I can't help until next week. Parsecboy (talk) 11:36, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

::::Parsecboy Next week works. I'll be in touch. All the best, P. ĐĂNG (talk) 13:22, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::Parsecboy As it’s now the following week, would you be available to continue the discussion today? P. ĐĂNG (talk) 14:28, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

::::::Jordan & Caresse simply state: "By the end of the year the situation of the Serbian Army had become untenable, and the only solution was a complete evacuation." So no discussion at all as far as how the decision was made. I don't have Freivogel, so Sturm will have to weigh in on that. Parsecboy (talk) 16:31, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

::::::Sturmvogel 66, could you join this discussion? P. ĐĂNG (talk) 16:49, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

::Parsecboy, I see the issue with the article, but it hasn't been resolved ye. The sentence currently reads: "At the end of 1915, the French and British decided that the Serbian Army's position in Montenegro and Albania was untenable and that it would have to be evacuated."

::This might imply that the Allies were the ones who initiated the retreat, but in fact, the Serbian Army had already begun its retreat.

::To clarify, I suggest the following revision: "By the end of 1915, the Allies supported the evacuation of the Serbian Army, which had already begun retreating through Montenegro and Albania."

::This change reflects the historical sequence more accurately. I’d be glad to implement it if you agree. P. ĐĂNG (talk) 07:09, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

:::That's fine with me. Parsecboy (talk) 12:20, 21 April 2025 (UTC)