Talk:Fuck

I wonder whether the German term "fuckerey," apparently first used in the early 16th century in reference to Jakob Fugger's extreme profiteering and allegedly resultant mass impoverishment (e.g in Tyrol), might be an explanatory addendum or merely is coincidental? Earlier uses are possible, especially since the Fugger family's latinzed version is "Fucker" (e.g., Fucker advenit dedit XLIII denarios dignus - Tax Code, Augsburg, 1367) and given their Europe-wide reach beginning in the mid to late 14th century (Source: Damals, 7, July 2004, pp. 15-23 and pp. 25-29)

Over at List of Common Misconceptions two users who claim to be native Swedish and Norwegian speakers dispute the Swedish and Norwegian origins. I have examined the sources cited at that page, determined that it is not sufficiently sourced, and have removed that information from that page. However, I cannot access the source cited here at this page.

Could someone with access to the source confirm that it states (or does not state) what this article claims? Thanks. Mr. Swordfish (talk) 14:41, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

:Well, the link under footnote 7, which comes after the sentence about the Norwegian and Swedish dialect, just goes to a 404. I found what seems to be [https://www.oed.com/information/updates/previous-updates/2008-2/march-2008 the new URL] to the same page. It does mention the word "fuck" a lot, but just in a long list, with no information about origins. "Norwegian", "Swedish", "fukka" or "fock" is not mentioned at all. Although I can of course not know if there's been any change to this page after the switch to the new URL. Forteller (talk) 13:49, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

::The cite is to the OED and there is a link to Etymology at [https://www.oed.com/dictionary/fuck_v?tab=factsheet#3514047], [https://www.oed.com/dictionary/fuck_n?tab=factsheet#3513742], [https://www.oed.com/dictionary/fuck_int?tab=factsheet#122172502], and [https://www.oed.com/dictionary/fuk_n?tab=factsheet#3524660] but the material is behind a paywall. I'll see about going to a library to use their subscription. Mr. Swordfish (talk) 13:57, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

:::@Mr swordfish The OED's brief etymology is: {{tq|Probably cognate with Dutch fokken to mock (15th cent.), to strike (1591), to fool, gull (1623), to beget children (1637), to have sexual intercourse with (1657), to grow, cultivate (1772), Norwegian regional fukka to copulate, Swedish regional fokka to copulate (compare Swedish regional fock penis), further etymology uncertain: perhaps < an Indo-European root meaning ‘to strike’ also shown by classical Latin pugnus fist (see pugnacious adj.). Perhaps compare Old Icelandic fjúka to be driven on, tossed by the wind, feykja to blow, drive away, Middle High German fochen to hiss, to blow. Perhaps compare also Middle High German ficken to rub, early modern German ficken to rub, itch, scratch, German ficken to have sexual intercourse with (1558), German regional ficken to rub, to make short fast movements, to hit with rods, although the exact nature of any relationship is unclear.}} In other words, it may have been part of a Norwegian or Swedish regional dialect at some point, but they don't give a date.

:::It doesn't mention the Scandinavian languages in it's longer discussion, which mostly goes into surnames and other words containing the sound such as windfucker. The etymology for the noun and interjection just say they're derived from the verb. Fok is linked in its etymology to the nautical term fock in Swedish and fok in Danish meaning a foresail. They also recommend, for further reading: {{cite journal |last1=Lass |first1=Roger |title=Four Letters in Search of an Etymology |journal=Diachronica |date=1 January 1995 |volume=12 |issue=1 |pages=99–111 |doi=10.1075/dia.12.1.12las}}

:::Prior to the 2008 revision, they weren't willing to go back any further than early modern English, simply saying {{tq|Early mod.E fuck, fuk, answering to a ME. type *fuken (wk. vb.) not found; ulterior etym. unknown. Synonymous G. ficken cannot be shown to be related.}}. --Ahecht (TALK
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Mismatched quotation marks, or extra single quotation mark at beginning of translation in paragraph 2 of "German cognates" section:

"Pre-Germanic form *pug-néh2- (''to blow')"

In "source":

"Pre-Germanic form *pug-néh₂- (''to blow')" Benriddell (talk) 15:32, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

:{{done}} Jamedeus (talk) 19:10, 29 July 2024 (UTC)