Talk:Groschen#Merges and moves

I would like to point out that [http://www.grosh.nl Grosh] is also a Dutch band. I someone could eventually add an entry or something... Much appreciated. -- romunov —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.77.152.7 (talk • contribs)

:It has been added. --Rolfz —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rolfz (talk • contribs)

::.. and removed again, band of the Grosheide bros. totally unrelated to the coin, lacks notability WP:N, link normally to be avoided, [http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciaal:Search?search=Grosh&fulltext=Zoeken no Grosh in Dutch Wikipedia] either. -- Matthead ^discuß!     O       01:11, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

The article lacks sources, the dates given e.g. stem from the original 2004 edit [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grosh&diff=prev&oldid=6788376] which in turn was likely taken from the Polish Wiki which is unsourced since 2002 also [http://pl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grosz&diff=prev&oldid=4597]. -- Matthead ^discuß!     O       01:19, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

See Talk:Grosh and Talk:Prague grosh for the discussions about proper names that was basis for moves and mergers. -- Matthead ^discuß!     O       12:27, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

:I have moved the article from German 'groschen' to English 'grosch'. A simple Google search of English language pages gives:

::[http://www.google.com/search?as_q=grosh&hl=en&num=10&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=lang_en&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&as_rights=&safe=off grosh - 225k]

::[http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=lang_en&safe=off&as_qdr=all&q=grosch&btnG=Search&lr=lang_en grosch - 450k]

::[http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=lang_en&safe=off&as_qdr=all&q=groschen&btnG=Search&lr=lang_en groschen - 85k] (and this is not German wiki, but English one)

:-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  15:10, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

What is is nonsence? Why don't you guys read the google results you post here?

Piotrus posted google results grosch, groschen

[http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=lang_en&safe=off&as_qdr=all&q=grosch&btnG=Search&lr=lang_en grosch - 450k]

[http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=lang_en&safe=off&as_qdr=all&q=groschen&btnG=Search&lr=lang_en groschen - 85K]

• The Grosch results deal with people named Grosch
• The Groschen results deal with the coins named Groschen

Labbas 8 January 2007

:All right, so what's wrong with grosh?-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  16:03, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

::lol Take a look at the first 100 results of that search for [http://www.google.com/search?as_q=grosh&hl=en&num=10&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=lang_en&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&as_rights=&safe=off grosh]: 2 for Wikipedia (self-reference), 1 from eBay, and 97 for people, guitars & studios called Grosh - and Mount Grosh, Nevada :-) Best regards, Evv 01:04, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

:::Well... compare [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=lang_en&safe=off&as_qdr=all&q=groschen+coin+-wiki+-wikipedia&btnG=Search&lr=lang_en this] to [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=lang_en&safe=off&as_qdr=all&q=grosz+coin+-wiki+-wikipedia&btnG=Search&lr=lang_en that]. Now what do you think? :) -- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  05:01, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

::::Nice :-) I enlarged the search a little using the plural "coins" also, and got:

::::*[http://www.google.com/search?q=groschen+coin+OR+coins+-wiki+-wikipedia&num=100&hl=en&lr=lang_en&safe=off&as_qdr=all&start=700&sa=N groschen] : 628 (almost all coins).

::::*[http://www.google.com/search?q=grosz+coin+OR+coins+-wiki+-wikipedia&num=100&hl=en&lr=lang_en&safe=off&as_qdr=all&start=900&sa=N grosz] : 798 (but still including a lot of people named Grosz, a fairly common name; and used only for Polish coins).

::::However I have the idea that, on coins, grosz is used specifically to Poland and Poland-related areas (i.e. Lithuania, etc.). Groschen, on the other hand, because of Germany's (and the HRE's) importace and more intense relations with the English-speaking world, is used both for specific German-speaking areas AND as a default term for the "generic" coin. It is only too normal that the English language would sooner take words from a related Germanic language than from a more distant Slavic one.

::::Of course, that's just my personal feeling about it: my English is not good enough, and I'm too influenced by German to be certain of this specific usage. - Best regards, Evv 07:01, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

:::::Although I am still suprised that grosh is not an accepted English word, evidence seem to indicate groschen is indeed the term we should be using for most variants of this coin.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  21:04, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

::::::Actually, I'm surprised at the very existance of the word [http://www.google.com/search?q=grosh+coin+OR+coins+-wiki+-wikipedia&num=100&hl=en&lr=lang_en&safe=off&as_qdr=all&start=600&sa=N grosh] (497, including a lot of people called Grosh), which I had never seen before finding this talk page :-) Evv 22:50, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Google Print test: Counting coins only.

• Searching for [http://books.google.com/books?lr=&num=100&q=groschen+coin+OR+coins&as_brr=0 groschen coin OR coins] : ca. 412 books in English.
• Searching for [http://books.google.com/books?lr=&num=100&q=grosch+coin+OR+coins&as_brr=0 grosch coin OR coins] : ca. 21 books in English.
• Searching for [http://books.google.com/books?lr=&num=100&q=grosh+coin+OR+coins&as_brr=0 grosh coin OR coins] : ca. 44 books in English.
• Searching for [http://books.google.com/books?lr=&num=100&q=grosz+coin+OR+coins&as_brr=0 grosz coin OR coins] : ca. 41 books in English.

Best regards, Evv 23:37, 10 January 2007 (UTC)