Talk:Gun violence in the United States#Contested projects

From the first 3 sentences of this wiki topic:

Gun violence in the United States results in tens of thousands of deaths and injuries annually.[4] Guns were the leading cause of death for children 19 and younger in 2020.[5] In 2018, the most recent year for which data are available as of 2021, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's (CDC) National Center for Health Statistics reports 38,390 deaths by firearm, of which 24,432 were by suicide.[6][7] The rate of firearm deaths per 100,000 people rose from 10.3 per 100,000 in 1999 to 12 per 100,000 in 2017, with 109 people dying per day or about 14,542 homicides in total,[8][9][10] being 11.9 per 100,000 in 2018.

"with 109 people dying per day or about 14,542 homicides in total"

109 people x 365 days = 39785 homicides per year

Obviously there is some type of nuance to the two stats, but nevertheless, it's over doubly incorrect...

I think we should use this source - https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm

Where:-

All homicides

Number of deaths: 24,576

Deaths per 100,000 population: 7.5

Firearm homicides

Number of deaths: 19,384

Deaths per 100,000 population: 5.9

19,384/365 = 53

Thus, "with 53 people dying per day or about 19,384 homicides in total"

Or perhaps it is better stated as "with UP TO 109 people dying per day"

:{{xt|African American populations in the United States disproportionately represent the majority of firearms injury and homicide compared to other racial groupings.}}

Would it be less true if the word firearms were omitted? —Tamfang (talk) 22:17, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

:Given this is the page Gun Violence in the US, yes. firearms should remain in my opinion. KarmaKangaroo (talk) 21:54, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

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{{ping|NoemiKappa}}

--Your new graphic seems to have its labels reversed--with the total number of murders being less than the number of murders involving firearms. This seems backward. Is this chart copied directly from a source, or did you create it yourself, from the source's data?

-- Separately, be aware that it's desirable for the text in images be comparable in size to the article's narrative text. This image doesn't comply with this guideline.

--Please learn to use proper sourcing. Beyond the explanation at User talk:NoemiKappa, there is a proper form for citations; see Wikipedia:Citing sources —RCraig09 (talk) 17:28, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Possibly, the situation could be saved if you User:NoemiKappa would make a horizontal bar chart with larger font size, as some existing graphics in this article have done. Consider presenting only the highest-murder-rate states, as that would mean the individual text entries would be readable. —RCraig09 (talk) 20:01, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

What relevance does the content in the Controversies section have in the article? It does not seem clear why it is included

Olgaman (talk) 13:33, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

This paragraph in the intro

Firearms are overwhelmingly used in more defensive scenarios (self-defense and home protection) than offensive scenarios in the United States.[14][15] In 2021, The National Firearms Survey, currently the nation's largest and most comprehensive study into American firearm ownership, found that privately-owned firearms are used in roughly 1.7 million defensive usage cases (self-defense from an attacker/attackers inside and outside the home) per year across the nation, compared to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's (C.D.C.) report of 20,958 homicides in that same year.[16][17][18]

conflicts with the rest of the article. The text in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States#Defensive_Gun_Violence has text that disproves it.

The sources for the information in the intro paragraph seems to be in favor of guns and might not be entirely independent.

FlamingDrake (talk) 10:25, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

:Agreed. The defensive and offensive statistics are not even comparable. One is a survey of gun owners regarding their putative defensive use of firearms. As such, for an empirically valid comparison you would need something like the number of violent incidents (not crimes, because those would be underestimated relative to a survey) where the offender used a firearm in some capacity. Even just examining crimes, you have homicide obviously, but also assault, attempted murder, armed robbery, and rape, all of which can involve the use of a firearm. 128.84.124.214 (talk) 17:05, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Heya I am asking for some help. I am not very good with the internet so I have no idea how to raise the issue but the ‘Venn diagram’ in this article is very questionable. Is there a way to mark it for review by others? 115.64.106.38 (talk) 01:06, 1 February 2025 (UTC)