Talk:H2X#Requested move 16 August 2024
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By the numbers
The 1132 number was removed on the basis of 150 sorties/day. Was that for the entire bomber force, or the entire Pathfinder force? If the bomber force, the 1132 for radar Pathfinders isn't unreasonable; if the Pathfinders, maybe not, either. TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 23:45, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
Requested move 16 August 2024
:The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Reading Beans 10:00, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
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:H2X → {{no redirect|AN/APS-15}} – The article's lede immediately identifies that the only system discussed is the AN/APS-15. It is common practice when naming articles for devices which use the American military JETDS naming convention for the article to be like either "AN/APS-15" or including the system name and type like "AN/APS-15 H2X radar". For many examples, see :Category:Military electronics of the United States. This move would make the page far easier to locate since most users will search for either AN/APS-15 or AN/APS-15 H2X radar. But I am open to ideas. Please share your thoughts — TadgStirkland401 (TadgTalk) 21:20, 16 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Waqar💬 18:33, 25 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans 08:57, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
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:Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this subsection with
- Oppose. No rationale given in terms of article naming policy. The current title is concise and well attested in sources. Andrewa (talk) 10:00, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Both names are valid, but I see no reason to support a rename to the later and much less well-known AN series number, per COMMONNAME. Even the lede wording "H2X, officially known as the AN/APS-15" is inappropriate. It was 'officially' known under both, at different times and contexts. But H2X still has the edge for COMMONNAME. Andy Dingley (talk) 13:07, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per the two comments above. The present name seems fine, not seeing a reason to chagne. — Amakuru (talk) 12:38, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
=Discussion=
:Any additional comments: — TadgStirkland401 (TadgTalk) 21:20, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
:Note: WikiProject Military history and WikiProject Aviation have been notified of this discussion. Reading Beans 08:56, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
:Note: WikiProject Aviation and WikiProject Military history have been notified of this discussion. Reading Beans 08:57, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
:Relisting comment: Relisting to allow further input from notified WikiProjects Reading Beans 08:57, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
This article has been the subject of multiple bold moves, so an RM is a great idea and should hopefully lead to stability. Andrewa (talk) 10:08, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
BTO source
In [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=H2X&diff=prev&oldid=934751855 this edit], a 3-day editor in 2020 added a source that contains "bombing through overcast" and "bombing through the overcast", but not "BTO". Is there a better source for that TLA? Dicklyon (talk) 04:18, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
I find [https://books.google.com/books?id=btyDDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT207&dq=%22h2x%22+%22bto%22+%22bombing+through%22#v=onepage&q=%22h2x%22%20%22bto%22%20%22bombing%20through%22&f=false this book] that says "The H2X air-to-ground radar system had been designed for high-altitude bombing through cloud cover—a form of weapons release known as bombing through the overcast, or BTO", which doesn't quite support the idea of the H2X being called a BTO set, but maybe suggests it. Maybe [https://books.google.com/books?id=9XA1AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA7&dq=%22h2x%22+%22bto%22+%22bombing+through%22#v=onepage&q=%22h2x%22%20%22bto%22%20%22bombing%20through%22&f=false this book] is better, though it's ambiguous about which set(s) were called BTO? Or maybe BTO is too generic, and not really an alternative name for this the H2X? Dicklyon (talk) 04:26, 12 September 2024 (UTC)