Talk:Hafez al-Assad

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Three months ago the article has been moved to a new title by a bold move [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hafiz_al-Assad&diff=1179835370] which appears to be controversial, see Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_January_15#Category:Hafez_al-Assad. I am going to submit a technical move request to return to the status quo ex ante. If desirable, a WP:RM may follow. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:14, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Ahead and mustard and mustard and mustard and mayo 103.151.46.112 (talk) 18:12, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

We used the order before. It is a fact that Hafez was the 18th president. Why now remove it? It's not like only the US presidents can have orders, that's not fair. Yes, Syria doesn't count presidents that much, but here we do.

Also, I know it's only because of Ahmed al-Sharaa that we stopped ordring. But it doesn't mea

we can removd all of the orders, ageee? Richie1509 (talk) 06:17, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi, If i have sources saying the body was removed from the grave, but you claim these sources are not "legit" for Wikipedia, what does it mean? is the body in the grave or not? will Wikipedia claim the body is there, while all evidence show the grave is empty? @Amigao BasselHarfouch (talk) 05:49, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

:One needs to cite WP:RS to back up any factual claim, and an unreliable and deprecated source such as WP:RT.COM cannot be used for that. If there is no reliable source to back up an assertion, it has to be removed. - Amigao (talk) 13:23, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

::So what you are saying is, that even though all evidence show the grave is empty, you are ok with the fact that information on Wikipedia (the body is in the grave) is wrong. BasselHarfouch (talk) 05:39, 1 May 2025 (UTC)

:::If the evidence comes from a disreputable source, one either rejects the evidence or finds an credible alternate that could verify that, which is your primary responsibility as the one trying to shove it in. If you cannot do so, then it will come as no surprise that you will be continuously reverted, if not taken to a noticeboard, for adding questionable information from subpar sources that compromises the veracity of the article and the project. And I suggest you read WP:IDNHT, WP:OR and WP:ASPERSIONS before letting your personal observations and sentiments get you into greater trouble. Borgenland (talk) 16:56, 1 May 2025 (UTC)

::::So for example, if a leader of a small state dies, it is reported in the local news, but not in you "credible" news. In the world of Wikipedia, is the leader dead or alive? BasselHarfouch (talk) 13:45, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::Since when did RT, a site declared unreliable by a consensus of editors, become local news to you???? If you want to prove someone’s dead, then find a credible source instead of passing the buck, shoving a deprecated source then whining on having them being rejected and trying to turn yourself into a WP:IDNHT editor. Borgenland (talk) 15:01, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::You are not answering the question, you can keep using very rude language, but you still haven't given an answer to a very simple question. I will repeat it as it seems you do not understant it, if a leader of a small state dies, it is reported in the local news (or in your words - deprecated source), but not in what you call a "credible" news. In the world of Wikipedia, is the leader dead or alive? BasselHarfouch (talk) 16:43, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::::You have been here long enough to know that competent editors rely on credible sources agreed on by consensus to judge that, not one’s sourgraping, WP:IDNHT and WP:SOAPBOXing on behalf of a disreputable source that is not even local. I see that you have taken no effort to prove otherwise the veracity of your claims, and as such I your have not shown that you can be taken here seriously. Borgenland (talk) 00:34, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::::I have asked you a simple question, why can't you provide a simple answer? BasselHarfouch (talk) 06:43, 11 May 2025 (UTC)