Talk:Hole#Requested move 18 December 2018

Now that an article exists on the topic, Hole, I propose to merge the stubs for three specific kinds of holes into the section, "Kinds of holes" - these are Pinhole, Blind hole, and Through hole. Thoughts on this proposal? bd2412 T 13:59, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

: Note: These have been done. BD2412 T 02:46, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

::See Talk:Hole#Hole used in adage section below, where there is another merge request that isn't obvious from reading the table of contents. --Guy Macon (talk) 04:04, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

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{{Discussion top|result=The result of this discussion was OPPOSE. Generalrelative (talk) 03:15, 6 December 2020 (UTC)}}

• Law of holes "If you are in a hole stop digging" used by British politions and political reporters.
• "if you knows of a better 'ole, go to it" originally by Bruce Bairnsfather as a caption to a 1915 cartoon he drew, and sometimes still used in Britain as a comeback to someone who is moaning about a situation which can not easliy be changed by the party listening to the complaint.

A short section on holes used in adages would improve this article. -- PBS (talk) 20:30, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

• I would actually merge Law of holes here, in a "Holes in popular culture" section. The Beatles reference and the reference to portable holes in fiction and gaming can also be combined there. bd2412 T 21:57, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
• I have proposed to merge Law of holes here. I do not thing there is any room for expansion of that article outside of this context. BD2412 T 02:47, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

:Oppose It seems like Law of holes is quite different from the Beatles sense. I especially dislike creating a "pop-culture" section for what feels like "everything that is unrelated to other large sections" due to importing separate articles on distinct meanings. The general meaning of hole as "Difficulty, in particular, debt" (wikt:hole noun definition #12]]) would represent a totally new meaning compared to what is here. There seems to be more (and viable) content than just DICTDEF at Law of holes, so maybe it could be re-cast to cover that more-general sense? The same concept is mentioned or used in lots of other fields. DMacks (talk) 03:04, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

:: The concept of stopping movement in the wrong direction is widespread, but if the article is expanded that way it will no longer be an article on the "law of holes", but on some supertopic to that. That's fine, but not exactly an impediment to including the content here. BD2412 T 03:21, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

::: Is "stopping movement in the wrong direction" currently part of the scope of hole? We have a separate Hole (disambiguation). DMacks (talk) 04:33, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

:::: It isn't, but the concept of digging a hole is, and the hole being dug in the adage is the hole broadly defined in this article. BD2412 T 04:38, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose merge. The purpose is better served by having a short summary of the law of holes in this article with a "main article: Law of Holes" link. There are over 200 links to the Law of Holes page, and virtually none of them are talking about a literal hole. ==Guy Macon (talk) 04:14, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose distinct topics and readers are not better served by combining them. To the extent that there is overlap, a summary of LOH should be added here with a hatnote per Guy, but in general no one looking for one is interested in information from the other. — Wug·a·po·des​ 19:45, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

This has been open since 5 June 2019, and zero editors other than the one who posted the proposal have supported the merge. Could someone who is not involved please close this? --Guy Macon (talk) 13:29, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

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