Talk:Holocaust humor

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Alleged NPOV violations

[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Holocaust_humor&diff=1285066080&oldid=1278793483 In this edit] user:RaschenTechner removed the terms "anti-Semitic" and "racist" from the article, preseting them as a violation of NPOV, as well as the following paragraph referenced to respected scholar:

:Considering the jokes about the Holocaust, one has to distinguish the "gallows humor", i.e., the humor of the victims, from "sick humor" of the oppressors or haters of the particular social group.Dundes, Alan, and Thomas Hauschild. “Auschwitz Jokes.” In: Humour in Society, C. Powell and G.E.C. Paton (eds., 1988, ([https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-349-19193-2_3 excerpt: pp.56, 57] {{Webarchive|url=https://web.archive.org/web/20220114091116/https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-349-19193-2_3 |date=2022-01-14 }}) The "gallows humor" is a coping mechanism,{{ill|Chaya Ostrower|he|חיה אוסטרובר}}, It Kept Us Alive: Humor in the Holocaust, 2014 while "sick humor" is an instrument of aggression.

I fail to see why calling antisemitic and racist jokes about murdering the Jews cannot be called antiSemitic and racist. In witkipedia there is much content about anti-Semitism and racism. Shall we remove all of it in order not to hurt feelings antisemites and racists? --Altenmann >talk 16:35, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

:Wikipedia shouldn't hurt anyone's feelings. Or it is at least not designed to do that. WP:NPOV overrides both consensus and most other guidelines and policies. If you don't believe that, please read the Wikipedia:NPOV policy. The term "Sick humor" definitely doesn't conform to this policy. So yes, this should be removed. RaschenTechner (talk) 17:54, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

::Sorry, you got it exactly opposite. Wikipedia does not care about feelings, see WP:NOTCENSORED. And WP:NPOV has nothing to do with the usability of the term "sick humor": it speaks about the absence of wikipedians' bias in our articles. --Altenmann >talk 18:35, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:::The term "sick humor" is biased towards the people who reject this kind of humor. The term could be changed to "off-color humor", which sounds more neutral. RaschenTechner (talk) 18:45, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:::: Unfortunately it cannot. The sources specifically draw distinction between "gallows humor" of victims and "sick humor" of perpetrators, both being shades of "off-color humor". --Altenmann >talk 19:45, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::"Sick humor" could also be changed to "perpetrator humor" or "humor of the perpetrators". RaschenTechner (talk) 20:53, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::No reason. The term is used and this category is [https://books.google.com/books?id=HBaGDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT70&dq=%22sick+humor%22 scholarly discussed], not to say that yours does not match the scope. Perpertators can have sick humor, aggressive humor, demeaning humor, etc. --Altenmann >talk 20:57, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

P.S. I briefly looked into Wikipedia articles about types of humor and was appalled with their quality. Apparently the subject is not serious enough for an encyclopedia.:-) And I see that the term "sick humor" is incorrect here, but not for the reason you think. While I can vouch for the term [https://infocenters.co.il/mofet/pdf_viewer.asp?lang=ENG&dlang=HEB&module=search&page=pdf_viewer&rsvr=6@6¶m=%3Cpdf_path%3Emultimedia/full_text/d13061.pdf%3C/%3E%3Cbook_id%3E13061%3C/%3E¶m2=&site=mofet used by Chaya Ostrower] (black humor, gallows humor), I re-read Dundes and I see he clarifies the type: "executioner's humor". I will update the article, with attribution. --Altenmann >talk 21:21, 3 May 2025 (UTC)