Talk:I Am... (Beyoncé tour)#Requested move 16 April 2024

:The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Consensus to move per WP:PRECISION; the current title is ambiguous. (non-admin closure) BilledMammal (talk) 14:22, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

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:I Am... World Tour → {{no redirect|I Am... (Beyoncé tour)}} – There are multiple albums by multiple artists called I Am which could be easily confused as being the subject of this tour. For example, I Am Tour (Leona Lewis). The only differentiator between Beyonce's and Leona's tours is the elipses. The word "world" has been added to Beyonce's tour even though the tour poster says the tour is called I Am... Tour. Either way, easily confused and not obvious which is a primary topic. I'm not sure we should assume that Beyonce's the primary topic just because of her profile and the fact the tour was worldwide. >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 20:03, 29 January 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. echidnaLives - talk - edits 22:46, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. After a basic Google search ([https://www.google.com/search?q=%22I+Am+Tour%22+%22beyonce%22&rlz=1C1ALOY_esMX1005MX1005&sxsrf=AJOqlzV5MY4nNAcwB4a5i3Uc44xI7PM_Xw%3A1675055448044&ei=WFHXY621ArbikPIPr_-SwAc&ved=0ahUKEwitwdbnw-78AhU2MUQIHa-_BHgQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=%22I+Am+Tour%22+%22beyonce%22&gs_lcp=Cgxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAQAzIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB4yBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeOgQIABBHOgYIABAHEB46CAgAEAcQHhAKOg0ILhANEIMBELEDEIAEOgoIABANEIAEELEDOgcILhANEIAEOgcIABANEIAEOgoILhANEIAEENQCOgsILhCABBDUAhDLAToKCC4QgAQQChDLAToICAAQgAQQywE6CggAEIAEEAoQywE6CwgAEBYQHhDxBBAKOgUIIRCgAToICCEQFhAeEB1KBAhBGABKBAhGGABQmw5Y0WJgzWVoAXADeACAAaYIiAHKNpIBDzAuOS40LjEuMS4wLjMuMZgBAKABAcgBCMABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz-serp I Am Tour] vs [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22I+Am+World+Tour%22+%22beyonce%22&rlz=1C1ALOY_esMX1005MX1005&sxsrf=AJOqlzWO2qdk0YBl-m_MN5EQM39updlAXg%3A1675055511534&ei=l1HXY4OmIMOYkPIP4fWN8Ao&ved=0ahUKEwjDzfmFxO78AhVDDEQIHeF6A64Q4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=%22I+Am+World+Tour%22+%22beyonce%22&gs_lcp=Cgxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAQAzIECAAQHjIECAAQHjIGCAAQCBAeMgYIABAIEB4yBggAEAgQHjIGCAAQCBAeMgYIABAIEB4yBggAEAgQHjIGCAAQCBAeMgYIABAIEB46BAgAEEdKBAhBGABKBAhGGABQ_gxY2BNgtxpoAHACeAOAAaUEiAHQDZIBBzAuMS41LTOYAQCgAQHIAQjAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz-serp I Am World Tour]; ellipses are irrelevant for Google searches), it seems that the current title is OK because of the lack of relevant links using the former name. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 05:15, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

:Relisting comment: To form a clearer consensus echidnaLives - talk - edits 22:46, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

• Support current title ambiguous. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:49, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
• :please explain your WP:JUSTAVOTE opinion. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 18:29, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Also, as per her [http://web.archive.org/web/20090308122549/http://www.beyonce.com/ official website] back in 2009, which states: "This spring, Beyoncé is set to embark on her “I AM…" world tour. “I AM...” will mark the artist's first full-length concert tour since 2007's sold-out "The Beyoncé Experience"". — Status (talk · contribs) 16:15, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

::A few more sources: [https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/beyonce-kicks-off-i-am-tour-with-ferocity-glitz-and-jay-z-32860/no-title-1359-104648/ Rolling Stone] [https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/beyonce-june-21-2009-new-york-madison-square-garden-268304/ Billboard] — Status (talk · contribs) 16:21, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

:::Cool, but the common name is still the current title. You cannot use common name at covenience and we don't follow official names. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 18:28, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

::::It is the common name based on what exactly? A live album/concert film aired on ABC as a Thanksgiving special was named I Am... World Tour (album), so a lot of the results in your comment above are talking about that, not the tour in itself. I have provided several reliable reputable sources calling the tour simply "I Am..." (including the singer's own website). Here's a few more: [https://variety.com/2009/music/markets-festivals/beyonce-2-1200475342/ Variety], [https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/entertainment/music/news/in-pictures-beyonce-in-belfast/28496556.html Belfest Telegraph], [https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/beyonce-is-billboards-woman-of-the-year-267596/ Billboard] (again), [https://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/0622/celebrity-09-jay-z-sasha-fierce-inside-beyonce-empire.html?sh=3be13cf02f68 Forbes] (this one doesn't include the ellipses, but also doesn't say "I Am... World Tour"; it says "I Am tour".) I would compare this situation to The MDNA Tour and MDNA World Tour (album) where the tour itself and the concert footage share a different, but similar name. — Status (talk · contribs) 12:26, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

:::::Status, You merely listed three sources, including Beyoncé's website (as if a primary sources had more relevance that secondary sources). You can't claim you added "several" sources and then start with a "I-can-get-several-more" game because we both know [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22i+am+world+tour%22&client=ms-android-xiaomi-rvo3&prmd=ivsn&sxsrf=AJOqlzWgZLe8UpLmPR6EAr4XVfcDtZZFwA:1676039806162&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiJgprqlov9AhV0h-4BHWn5DBIQ_AUoBHoECAIQBA&biw=393&bih=737&dpr=2.75 you will not win that game]. Please, focus on Wikipedia's policies and guidelines instead of playing with fallacies and gaslighting opinions. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 14:39, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

:::::: You stated in your original comment "it seems that the current title is OK because of the lack of relevant links using the former name", so I simply provided various examples of such links. I don't know where all this hostility is coming from and frankly I'm disappointed. Instead of accusing me of "gaslighting", maybe you should instead respond to my actual comments, including the one about the concert film. [https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/music/story/2023-02-04/grammys-2023-beyonce-adele-nominations-wins-timeline This source] (coming from the news link you just provided) refers to the "long-form music video" (not the tour), while [https://www.elle.com/fashion/celebrity-style/a42699676/whats-next-for-mugler this one] actually calls it I Am...: "notably Beyoncé’s costumes for her 2009 “I Am…” world tour". — Status (talk · contribs) 14:59, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

:::::::You believe that's hositlity. Pfff. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 03:06, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

At the request of Status, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ATbhotch%2Fsandbox&diff=1138714497&oldid=1057601400 here is the reason why the OP nomination is erroneous]. It also includes an explanation about what I mean when I only read gaslights and fallacies in the opinions provided by the support !votes. I decided to post it elsewhere to not dominate the whole discussion. Labeling my argument as hostile is just a baseless opinion. I, on the other hand, indicate why "I Am... World Tour" satisfies all the five goals created for article titles, while "I Am... (Beyoncé tour)" satisfies both a minority's viewpoint and an antiquated understanding of the official title. Remember when B'Day was moved to B'Day (Beyoncé album) and it was not helpful for the readers? This proposal is asking for the same. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 05:28, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

• Support move. Based on the comments and the sources provided above. — Tom^(T2ME) 08:18, 12 February 2023 (UTC)