Talk:Ideology of the SS#Problematic content

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Grammar

The grammar in the last two sections is particularly poor, this is obviously written by a non-English native speaker and will likely require a native speaker to correct.

Community reassessment

Discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history]]

HI, just a quick note about a current discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history (WWII content: Otto Kittel, other GA/FA articles) that editors of this page may be interested in. K.e.coffman (talk)

Possibly Excessive Quoting of Himmler

{{ping|Nick-D}}{{ping|K.e.coffman}}{{ping|Kierzek}}{{ping|GeneralizationsAreBad}}{{ping|EyeTruth}}{{ping|Beyond My Ken}}{{ping|Diannaa}}{{ping|Peacemaker67}}{{ping|Nillurcheier}} Recently, an editor {{ping|LeftiePete}} added several quotes directly from Himmler, which were extracted from the Longerich work on him. While we would all certainly agree that Longerich is a leading scholar, the piling up of language used by the infamous SS leader, Himmler, borders on glorification and while I am not entirely opposed to these additions, I am not entirely comfortable with them in succession like this either. At this point I am tempted to delete them as they seem a little excessive. It would be helpful if the subject matter experts I have pinged about these edits could either share their thoughts or vote on whether they should be retained.--Obenritter (talk) 20:56, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

:::Support Retention / Support Deletion

:::* Support Deletion-- based on the fact that the point is already well enough made. Also, if you all recall, this page came under scrutiny in the past. Not sure these recent edits help the cause. --Obenritter (talk) 20:56, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

::::I agree. I've removed two of the quotes and only kept the one with regards to anti-Slavism.--LeftiePete (talk) 21:11, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

::::I agree with the removal of quotations and tend to use them extremely sparingly if at all. Prose written by Wikipedians tends to be more engaging and gives the article better flow. Also, what the participants have to say about themselves or their own organization tends to be biased as they can say whatever the heck they want as a way to justify their actions.— Diannaa (talk) 21:55, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

::::: I agree as well, quotations should only be used indirectly, when scholars refer to them, explain them or put them in a historical context ("einordnen" in German) best Ulrich. --Nillurcheier (talk) 07:52, 2 December 2020 (UTC)