Talk:Imane Khelif#rfc 14B1346

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There are various outlets actively reporting that Imane has DSD, claiming this is a similar situation as Caster Semanya. This Wiki article overly emphasizes that failure of published medical examination is clear indication of "misinformation" or "false claims" as if to dismiss the existence of a worthy debate. An objective view of the situation should discuss that much of the public backlash is coming from the unusually masculine features of this person, and general waning public support towards others with DSD (Caster) competing in female sports. The reason that's important to discuss is that if an eventual medical report comes out to verify active news stories (and DSD is confirmed), it doesn't validate either side of the controversy as public gender interpretation is not consistent. In other words, despite medically verified DSD in Caster, some people call Caster female and others call her male. The point is, the conversation is worth having to accurately reflect in an online encyclopedia that a debate exists. Rlplaisted (talk) 07:47, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

:Do you have any examples of these sources you can point us to? Riposte97 (talk) 11:36, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

:This has been discussed and consensus arrived at in the RFC at Special:PermanentLink/1246750486#RfC_lead. If no discussion point is put forward, about how to improve the article, relatively soon I will close this again per WP:NOTFORUM. TarnishedPath^talk 11:50, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

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I was told by a friend educated in these matters that Khelif is XY with an insensitivity to androgens, so they were born with a vagina and uterus. My friend said like this is what Imane's doctors said, but I can't really find any online sources myself. Is there a source on this? Alexysun (talk) 02:30, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

:none that are reliable. you can see past discussions of this in the archives. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 02:44, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

:Khelif's sexual development has been debated a lot. There's nothing that we ought to say about it at the present point in time as the sourcing doesn't justify it. TarnishedPath^talk 03:01, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi Alexysun, I will soon start a RfC challenging the blanket statement "there has never been evidence of XY chromosomes..or elevated testosterone" in the wikivoice soon and write an argument against it. We can try to discuss it there and obtain consensus. The recent medical leak is unverified in itself and I also suspect the journalist publishing the report because they may grudge against the subject due to ethnic conflict. However you could say "Reports published in France this week claimed Khelif, 25, has XY, or male, chromosomes" because the current wikivoice just says "claims about eligibility" which is too vague. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/nov/06/olympic-boxer-imane-khelif-takes-legal-action-over-male-chromosomes-claims

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20241106-boxer-imane-khelif-takes-legal-action-over-gender-reports

Burcet95 (talk) 19:01, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

:We already had a RfC about it not long ago and we won't have another one just because you don't like the result. The rest has also been discussed (so nothing new to see). In any case, I will be hatting this discussion since it's clearly venturing into BLP violation. M.Bitton (talk) 19:07, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

:see this rfc [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=1246750486#RfC_lead] i would oppose on procedural grounds as nothing really has changed Bluethricecreamman (talk) 19:08, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

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See https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/mar/15/olympic-boxing-transgender-russian-fake-news-thomas-bach.

Can someone include something about this in the article. I'm busy at present. TarnishedPath^talk 04:25, 18 March 2025 (UTC)