Talk:International recognition of Kosovo#Unnecessary Addition

https://mofa.gov.bs/minister-of-foreign-affairs-fred-mitchell-with-the-prime-minister-of-kosovo-isa-mustafa-at-the-un/ 193.163.187.202 (talk) 21:41, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

:Just a meeting? That’s it? FMMTAG (talk) 19:20, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

::For an official meeting between two countries there has to exist a degree of mutual recognition, but we lack a note verbale explicitly saying that. AlexBachmann (talk) 20:32, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

These countries are considering to withdraw recognition of Kosovo 2A00:23C7:5882:8201:D000:D530:DCB2:9815 (talk) 23:00, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

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In the section regarding Countries which recognize Kosovo as an independent state the country name of Swaziland in line 64 should be changed to Eswatini to better reflect the countries new name as of 2018. Additionally, as countries are listed in order of when they recognized Kosovo, Bangladesh and Barbados at lines 102 and 103 should be switched as they are not in chronological order. Student of Finance (talk) 01:00, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

:Done IJA (talk) 09:29, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Kenya has recognized the Republic of Kosova brokered by former foreign minister Behgjet Pacolli attached sources officials:

https://x.com/BajramBegajAL/status/1904908732338758131

https://x.com/admirim/status/1904921415305830559

https://x.com/admirim/status/1904931517412843747

https://x.com/Petrit/status/1904899614337040419

https://x.com/MwangiMaina_/status/1904895565907059119

Put Kenya on recognized countries list for Kosova and paint in map! Strong supporter of Kosova Independence (talk) 16:55, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Kenya has been added to the list. The Kenya-Kosovo relations page has also been updated to reflect this fact. Dn9ahx (talk) 17:51, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

:This map is very outdated and old.

:We need to make new map and paint Kenya as recognition country. 2A02:8388:6C81:6500:529:F0FE:546C:8402 (talk) 01:03, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Ive noticed that in the Wiki article Sierra Leone is shown on withdrawal list of Serbian claims.

But Sierra Leone has recognized Kosovo and maintains talks with President Osmani - put Sierra Leone on list of recognition countries.

Source of meetings - https://x.com/VjosaOsmaniPRKS/status/1910721182644523501 84.115.208.212 (talk) 16:00, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

:A single post on X is not enough. {{not done}} — Sadko (words are wind) 16:34, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

::Here are a couple more that are NOT on X [https://telegrafi.com/en/Osmani-meets-the-president-of-Sierra-Leone--a-country-that-Serbia-claimed-recognized-Kosovo./amp/] and [https://www.koha.net/en/arberi/osmani-takon-presidentin-e-shtetit-qe-serbia-pretendon-se-e-ka-cnjohur-kosoven-1] - ILBobby (talk) 23:07, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

:Sierra Leone itself released a statement about this meeting. It is very clear that Sierra Leone recognizes the independence of Kosovo, calling it "the Republic of Kosovo", a "nation" and talking about "bilateral relations". This closes the debate. [https://statehouse.gov.sl/sierra-leones-president-julius-maada-bio-and-president-of-the-republic-of-kosovo-hold-talks-on-strengthening-bilateral-cooperation/] Uniacademic (talk) 10:38, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

::Agreed, Wikipedia should be updated to reflect that. Botushali (talk) 11:48, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

:::It's shameful and unworthy of Wikipedia how incomplete and outdated the information on the page are.

:::We also need a new, more modern map that truly lists all the countries that recognize Kosovo. Strong supporter of Kosova Independence (talk) 12:49, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

::::X can’t be trusted anyway. YDMC188 (talk) 18:31, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::The source quoted is not "X" but the official website of the President of Sierra Leone. Dn9ahx (talk) 15:00, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

During the meeting in Türkiye Antalya Diplomatic Forum in joint statement of President of Kosovo Vjosa Osmani & Sudan official they confirmed recognition from Sudan to Kosovo - source of speech of both officials:

https://x.com/VjosaOsmaniPRKS/status/1911100126338167235

https://x.com/adriatikk/status/1911100990444482833

Put Sudan on recognition list and paint in the map of the article! 84.115.208.212 (talk) 17:28, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

:Another link [https://www.koha.net/en/arberi/sudani-njeh-kosoven] - ILBobby (talk) 17:39, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

::[https://www.voxnews.al/english/kosovabota/lajm-i-mir-sudani-njeh-republiken-e-kosoves-vendimi-vetem-pak-ore-pas-i89603 another link], however, I'm sure if it's classed as a reliable source haha IJA (talk) 17:46, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

:::[https://www.cna.al/english/kosova-bota/sudani-njeh-pavaresine-e-republikes-se-kosoves-i427295 And another one] IJA (talk) 18:29, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

::::X is not a relabel source in my opinion. YDMC188 (talk) 18:30, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::The President of Kosovo himself has confirmed the recognition and establishment of relations Kosovo-Sudan together with Sudanese foreign minister.

:::::What other source do you want then the official one? Strong supporter of Kosova Independence (talk) 19:44, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

::::::Here's a Turkish source [https://www.turkiyetoday.com/region/sudan-officially-recognizes-independent-kosovo-with-turkiyes-facilitation-144141/] - ILBobby (talk) 23:48, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::::The president of Kosovo is the least reliable source ever for this topic, lol. According to Kosovo officials, over 110 countries recognize Kosovo, but every time Kosovo applies for joining UNESCO, INTERPOL etc it fails to get even the 95 votes it would need to be admitted. No Kosovar source can be allowed for this topic: an honest verification should take into account only official sources from the countries that allegedly recognized Kosovo (and in that case, we would see that only about 90-95 countries actually recognize Kosovo). 2804:214:86BA:92ED:BD09:AC15:E576:CBB0 (talk) 04:37, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

::::::::Several media sources are confirming the recognition - https://www.aa.com.tr/en/africa/sudan-officially-recognizes-independent-kosovo/3536606 - https://insajderi.org/en/After-recognizing-Kosovo%27s-independence--here%27s-what-the-Sudanese-Foreign-Minister-said-to-Osman/ - https://www.turkiyetoday.com/region/sudan-officially-recognizes-independent-kosovo-with-turkiyes-facilitation-144141/ - Even Serbian and Russian sources are now confirming that Sudan has recognised the independence of Kosovo - https://n1info.rs/vesti/sudan-priznao-kosovo/ - https://lat.rt.rs/srbija-i-balkan/137698-sudan-priznanje-kosovo/ Dn9ahx (talk) 09:04, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

::::::::: The quote from the Sudanese foreign minister Ali Youssif from sources listed above- "I am honored and privileged to have been sent by my president this afternoon, and after meeting with President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, which was a good path and a good omen for this meeting that we have here in Turkey. And that we decided to recognize your beautiful country. On behalf of the peace-loving people of Sudan, we recognize your country" Dn9ahx (talk) 09:04, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

As of April 2025 85 countries(that are part of UN) regonised Kosovo as a sovereign countryhttps://www.blic.rs/vesti/politika/kenija-84-a-ne-118-zemlja-koja-je-priznala-kosovo/gdnw4nk. Also acroding to Serbia several countries withdrew regonsision including Libya but that isn't included on the wiki map154.205.154.254 (talk) 13:54, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:This is Serbian propaganda of Serbian Vucic regime.

:Serbia is only claiming this number without proof or reliable sources of the mentioned countries. Strong supporter of Kosova Independence (talk) 13:57, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

::Your name says alot, here is another Source from Kosovo https://www.kosovo-online.com/vesti/politika/kenija-84-zemlja-koja-je-priznala-kosovo-26-3-2025 154.205.154.254 (talk) 13:59, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:::And more sources https://www.blic.rs/vesti/politika/kenija-84-a-ne-118-zemlja-koja-je-priznala-kosovo/gdnw4nkhttps://naslovi.net/2025-03-27/blic/pristina-se-zabrojala-kenija-84-a-ne-118-zemlja-koja-je-priznala-kosovo/39286826/amphttps://www.vesti.rs/Kosovo/Pristina-se-zabrojala-Kenija-84-a-ne-118-zemlja-koja-je-priznala-Kosovo.htmlhttps://www.kurir.rs/amp/9626584/srbija-mora-konstantno-da-se-bori-za-otpriznanja-kosova#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=17448119906742&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.comhttps://kossev.info/kosovo-online-najnovije-vesti-pacoli-ponovo-najavljuje-nova-priznanja-i-to-uskoro/https://www.kim.gov.rs/lat/np102.phphttps://www.sd.rs/vesti/kosovo/manipulacije-pristine-produzili-spisak-zemalja-koje-priznaju-nezavisnost-kosova-kenija-84-ne-118-2025-03-27 154.205.154.254 (talk) 14:04, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

::::Also list of countries that withdrew their regonsision of Kosovohttps://www.politika.rs/scc/clanak/531333/devet-zemalja-povuklo-priznanje-kosovahttps://www.blic.rs/vesti/politika/devet-zemalja-povuklo-priznanje-kosova/p07r8ewhttps://pink.rs/politika/149349/potvr%C4%91eno-togo-je-15.-drzava-koja-je-povukla-priznanje-kosova-a-i-somalija-preispituje-odluku And on November 2024 Ivica Dačic thanked Somalia for withdrawing Regonsisionhttps://www.kosovo-online.com/vesti/politika/dacic-sa-somalijskim-ministrom-hvala-na-povlacenju-priznanja-kosova-i-postovanju, and here is another source saying Somalia withdrew regonsisionhttps://pink.rs/politika/149349/potvr%C4%91eno-togo-je-15.-drzava-koja-je-povukla-priznanje-kosova-a-i-somalija-preispituje-odluku 154.205.154.254 (talk) 14:14, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::@Sadko what do tou think? Are sources valid? I'm asking you since i see you are most active on article's talk 154.205.154.254 (talk) 14:18, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:::That is an Serbian news-outlet for Kosovo. Strong supporter of Kosova Independence (talk) 15:09, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

::::So everyone are right and everyone's opinion is ok but when Serbia says something they are lying? But Osmani doesn't when she says how 119 countries regonise Kosovo 154.205.154.254 (talk) 15:14, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

The list of recognising countries is backed up by numerous reliable references and there is a high threshold of proof required before a new country is added to the list. Claims of derecognition that are sufficiently proven are listed separately and those countries are marked red on the map. Numerous claims of derecognition from the Serbian authorities have been refuted by the countries themselves, making such statements unreliable unless corroborated by the country concerned. These claims are also explained in the article itself. Dn9ahx (talk) 14:26, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:Even if refrences that provides that several countries did withdrawn regonsision aren't good enough still 85 regonise Kosovo, also Somalia is country that no longer regonise kosovo 154.205.154.254 (talk) 14:31, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

::Also I don't know if it's included or not but Vatican City (or Holy Sea) doesn't regonise Kosovo 154.205.154.254 (talk) 14:33, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

::Vatican City (Holy See) is not on the list of recognising countries. Dn9ahx (talk) 14:47, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

As I have said earlier, claims made by the Serbian authorities have been refuted by the countries concerned, resulting in those countries remaining on the list of recognisers. The sources you have supplied do not provide any new evidence from sources within the countries you claim do not recognise Kosovo. If you can find an official statement from the government of a country which you claim has withdrawn recognition, then that issue can be discussed and a consensus reached. Dn9ahx (talk) 14:46, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:Your only right about list of countries that withdrew regonsision, but not right about 108 countries regonise Kosovo 154.205.154.254 (talk) 15:12, 16 April 2025

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Accra, Ghana – In a significant diplomatic development, Jetlir Zyberaj, acting as a special envoy of former President Behgjet Pacolli, held an official and productive meeting with President John Dramani Mahama at the presidential palace, Jubilee House, in Accra.

Mr. Zyberaj published an picture with President Mahama of Ghana in his presidential office.

Paint Ghana green in the map and if not done put it in the recognition list - also delete part on the page where Ghana has withdrawn recognition!

Sources:

https://rks.news/ghana-reaffirms-recognition-of-kosovo-key-meeting-between-presidential-envoy-and-president-mahama/

https://www.facebook.com/jetliri88/posts/10227692780320844

https://x.com/Petrit/status/1912443797360828442

https://www.gazetaexpress.com/zyberaj-shkon-ne-akra-si-emisar-i-pacollit-gana-se-ka-terhequr-njohjen-e-kosoves-lajmet-nga-serbia-jane-te-paverteta/ Strong supporter of Kosova Independence (talk) 15:07, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Somalia doesn't anymore regonise kosovohttps://www.kosovo-online.com/vesti/politika/dacic-sa-somalijskim-ministrom-hvala-na-povlacenju-priznanja-kosova-i-postovanju 154.205.154.254 (talk) 15:16, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:There are clear sources and high meetings from officials of Somalia and Kosovo confirming bilateral relations:

https://president-ksgov.net/en/president-osmani-met-with-the-foreign-minister-of-somalia-abshir-omar-jama-huruse-at-the-doha-forum

The meeting with Dacic you are referring is work visit for signing an memorandum about police work.

From the meeting there is no denial of statehood of Kosovo from Somali official as you are mentioning - strong supporters of Kosovo also meet with Serbian officials to sign work papers.

Strong supporter of Kosova Independence (talk) 15:30, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:That's from 2023, here is new source from 2024 from UN mission in Kosovohttps://media.unmikonline.org/index.php/mediareports/serb-monitoring-12056 Republika Srpska Lover (talk) 15:40, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

::UNMIK is not Somalia its an Pro-Serbian UN-led mission that has shown that it works against Kosovo and its statehood.

::We need clear confirmations of Somali presidency or foreign minister official (MFA) that they have withdrawn or abolish relations with Kosovo. Strong supporter of Kosova Independence (talk) 15:43, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:::Are you serious? UNMIK confirmed that Somalia withdrew regonsision Republika Srpska Lover (talk) 15:43, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:::your source is also from 2023 but this is recent one Republika Srpska Lover (talk) 15:44, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

::::UNMIK cant speak on behalf of an sovereign country.

::::The decisions are made by the countries and respective elected governments not some articles of UNMIK officials published.

::::The source I published shows clearly the officials of both countries having bilateral talks and confirming relations. Strong supporter of Kosova Independence (talk) 15:46, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::your source is old Republika Srpska Lover (talk) 15:49, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

::::Here this is even recent one from 2025https://www.tanjug.rs/english/politics/148615/djuric-speaks-with-somali-fm-about-support-on-kosovo-metohija-economy/amp Republika Srpska Lover (talk) 15:47, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::We have to see if there are confirmed notes from Somalia withdrawing recognition and remarks of the MFA of Kosovo if thats the case. Strong supporter of Kosova Independence (talk) 15:56, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

::::::It's already confirmed by 3 sources saying bow Somalia wouldn't support separatist movements bruh Republika Srpska Lover (talk) 16:00, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Base on the discussion above, I will add a note to the Somalia section of this page. Also for the record UNMIK did not conform anything itself. The UNMIK Media Observer website only summarises what media outlets in Kosovo and in Serbia are reporting. Dn9ahx (talk) 16:13, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:and it was reported that Somalia doesn't regonise kosovo anymore Republika Srpska Lover (talk) 16:15, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

::I have added a note about this to the article. If an admin thinks a consensus has been reached, they can make the necessary change. Dn9ahx (talk) 16:49, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:::If it's accepted then pu 72.52.87.174 (talk) 05:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

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The article is in a concerning state. There is a staggering lack of reliably sourced material, and it fails to maintain a neutral point of view. The page appears to be overwhelmed by activist contributions, featuring biased language, selectively sourced information, and clear attempts to promote the highest possible number of recognizing countries. — Sadko (words are wind) 16:15, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:I agree with Mr.Sadko👍❤️ Republika Srpska Lover (talk) 16:19, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Please explain in detail what change you would like to make to the article.

You both appear to be from one side of the argument (pro-Serbia) whilst there are other users in the discussion who are from the other camp (pro-Kosovo independence). When changes are made to the list of recognising (or derecognising) countries, they are usually done by people who are from neither camp, but who wish to see Wikipedia as a useful source of information to a global audience. It becomes rather disruptive when people let their bias cloud their judgement and demand changes because this article does not suit their worldview. Pro Serbia users want the list to read 85 whilst pro Kosovo independence users wish it to read 118. Every entry on the recognition list is backed by an appropriate reference and the list should remain as it is unless reliable proof to the contrary can be provided. Dn9ahx (talk) 16:41, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:There aren't Pro-Serbs and Pro-Kosovo here, there are people who supports Kosovo independence and add more countries (so people can say how kosovo is independent) and people who are saying most likely number of countries that regonised this province (which number is rejected because "VjOsA OsMaNi SaYs SoOo") Republika Srpska Lover (talk) 16:47, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

::Sorry but someone calling themselves "Republika Srpska Lover" and describing themselves as "Serbian" is clearly not neutral in this discussion. Their aim may be to make the numbers of recognising countries appear as low as possible. On the converse, there are some users who want to make the numbers as high as possible. Dn9ahx (talk) 16:54, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:::Do folks not have something other to do? You know it's getting real neutral when a guy named Republika Srpska Lover shows up. I am concerned because editors attempt to paint the whole article as being in a poor quality while there's citations literally everywhere. AlexBachmann (talk) 19:53, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

::::ok albanian Republika Srpska Lover (talk) 20:53, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:::Thank you for this true statement.

:::Im trying to be as truthful as possible with sources but this guy is calling people with names like "Albanian" as seen under his last statement. 84.115.208.212 (talk) 22:22, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

::::did i said something that isn't true Republika Srpska Lover (talk) 22:24, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

::::sources are poor in attempt to make numbers as higher as possible, but when we Serbia say that 85 regonised then they are lying 72.52.87.174 (talk) 05:42, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

I have added a statement to the lead section about the conflicting claims - “In total, Kosovo has received 116 diplomatic recognitions by UN member states, however conflicts have arisen regarding the exact number of countries recognising Kosovo. Kosovo claims that the number of countries recognising its independence is 119, whilst Serbia claims the number is 84, stating that some countries have withdrawn recognition. Third party sources give the number or recognising countries as around 110.” - Dn9ahx (talk) 13:00, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

There are currently no references for Cambodia in this article. I've had a wee look online and I can't seem to find anything. Can anyone else find any sources to reference in this article please? IJA (talk) 08:45, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

:Nobody could find anything yet. The reference is too old anyway. YDMC188 (talk) 13:03, 15 May 2025 (UTC)