Talk:Islamic State

:The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Cremastra 🎄 u — c 🎄 23:53, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

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:Islamic State → {{no redirect|Islamic State (militant group)}} – "Islamic state" doesn't indicates towards a particular group but whole Muslim community! And it makes confusion. There are lot of countries or state in past who used this name but not fair to target whole community as majority or almost all Muslims don't accept it as an Islamic state or caliphate. It makes confusion like in First Islamic state page. I think it should be moved on the basis of it targets a particular community who aren't accepting it and Wikipedia should not work on the basis of who claims the title.There is no problem using Islamic state name as per WP:COMMONNAMES But make a distinction.

I have changed the proposed title because the Islamic state of Iraq and Syria doesn't exists. And the main reason for this request is to make distinction.Therealbey (talk) 23:23, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

:Disagree. The "Islamic State of Iraq and Syria" is no more as declared by former Caliph Baghdadi, who declared a global Caliphate. That is why now correct to talk of "Islamic State" when referring to the group's central activities and in general; then one can talk of "IS in Syria, in Iraq, IS-WAP, IS-SP, IS-GS etc. etc.

:None believe "Islamic State" means "worldwide Muslim Community". 22Chev22 (talk) 14:14, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

:Comment: I was launched a RM in October to Islamic State (organisation) but only one supported it, they argued that "Islamic State" is common name. So I think this RM won't succusful.

:But If we uses "ISIS" in most of area rather then article title, it will succusful. No one call the group as "ISIL" now. Reliable sources also use "ISIS". So ISIS is most popular term to refer the group. The " Islamic State" is second most popular term. RealStranger43286 (talk) 14:19, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

:Oppose When sources spell the name out, they almost always use "Islamic State" – [https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/u-s-ally-halts-fight-against-islamic-state-in-syria-as-it-battles-rebel-group-f6638826], [https://www.foxnews.com/world/turkey-seeks-seeks-purge-pro-us-kurdish-force-helped-defeat-islamic-state-syria], [https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/12/14/mohammed-chhipa-convicted-isis-trial/], the list goes on and on. Readers expect to see "Islamic State", not a long and clunky alternative name. Almost nobody even knows what the second part of ISIS stands for. 🐔 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 15:28, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

::No. Islamic state, First Islamic state and this page makes confusion. And while saying the word "Islamic state" the thing comes on mind is the state of Islam and there should be no one particularly refered as Islamic state cuz lot of states claimed to be Islamic state and caliphate but it something that is/should be based on consensus of Muslims (Shura) like OIC they can come to conclusion that is this an Islamic state, caliphate or not and no one accept them. They are salafi terrorist organization they have not right to claim that they are the Islamic state and how will someone make distinction between (Islamic state and isis ??? It's disrespectful and unfair that someone claimed the Islamic state or caliphate title and no one of that community accepts but based on people refers them giving the name doesn't make sense! If you think "Islamic state of Iraq and Syria" is not suitable then Islamic State (organisation)as suggest by @Stranger43286 or Islamic state (militant group) but the word "Islamic state" refers whole community not just a particular group it's a term. Therealbey (talk) 17:42, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

:::Nothing written above concerns Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, it simply appears to be your personal opinion based on your own sensitivity (WP:NOTAFORUM may be helpful). Sira Aspera (talk) 22:28, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

:::Agree with Sira Aspera, WP:RGW may also be relevant here. 🐔 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 01:08, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

:::It sucks that terrorists have co-opted the name, but it isn't Wikipedia's job to WP:RGW and change article titles based on a Shura council. Jebiguess (talk) 22:57, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Islamic State should redirect to Islamic state. Theparties (talk) 19:06, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose: No reason to lengthen the title. The terrorist organization is exactly what 99% of readers expect to find when they type the title, even more so after the current events in Syria. Sira Aspera (talk) 22:32, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. An RM with basically the same rationale was discussed a month ago and the closer found a "clear consensus not to move". So why are we discussing it again? I'm often not the biggest fan of WP:DIFFCAPS, but in this case it works perfectly. Islamic State is the organisation, capitalised as such and commonly known thus, while Islamic state refers to the generic concept. Suggest a speedy close since nothing has changed since November. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 23:48, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose that is what the organization calls itself being the one used by the media and is clearly the WP:COMMONNAME and is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 01:18, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
• :Then what will you say on Islamic state ? How readers will distinct those pages? Or First Islamic state what does this page means the first state of Islam or first state of isis ? There is no problem using Islamic state name as per WP:COMMONNAMES But make a distinction. Therealbey (talk) 01:31, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. This is not an Islamic state but a terrorist organisation whose proper name is "Islamic State". The capitalisation difference is sufficient. JIP | Talk 07:16, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
• :No it's not sufficient for a normal reader Therealbey (talk) 14:36, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

:Oppose. The Islamic State itself is not a militant group, but a global coalition of militant groups under Islamic State's central command. The Iraq and Syria province is the most well-known, but there is no group that's just the Islamic State and not a regional affiliate. I wouldn't be opposed to renaming the article Islamic State (organization) as that makes a better distinction between the org and the concept of an Islamic state.

:Per WP:COMMONNAME as Amakuru points out, The Islamic State vs. Islamic state is the perfect example of a specific group commonly known as that versus the concept. Jebiguess (talk) 22:54, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

::Think from the pov of a normal reader who wants to know concept but finds this group go on Google and search Islamic state it shows this article. And the isis don't operating now globally and Minor in Iraq and Syria. And it create confusion with First Islamic state too Therealbey (talk) 02:18, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. Per commonname. Shadow4dark (talk) 23:18, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. Very clear primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:16, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. Islamic State is a common name for the group. It’s the first thing that comes to mind. Governor Sheng (talk) 20:33, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
• :True, The name 'Islamic State' should be kept on the page, Nobody knows what ISIL, ISIS are anymore. 98.143.67.244 (talk) 21:45, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
• ::But all the article in press mentions it as militant group or organization so why not make a distinction Therealbey (talk) 16:28, 21 December 2024 (UTC)