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Should we use ISIL? ISIS? or Daesh?

Would be nice to have a standard acronym of this important terrorist group for the article.

ISIL is used in the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant article. But a [https://www.google.com/search?q=Islamic+State+ISIS&ei=dTjqYJXrLdGutQbMgYSwCA&oq=Islamic+State+ISIS&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAM6CwgAELADEAgQDRAeSgQIQRgBUPc0WPc0YPxQaAFwAHgAgAHoB4gBuwmSAQcyLTEuNy0xmAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpesgBAcABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwjV-Yrg3tnxAhVRV80KHcwAAYYQ4dUDCA4&uact=5 Google search] of "ISIL Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant" vs. "ISIS Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant" finds ISIS is about 10X as popular as ISIL, and 20X as popular as [https://www.google.com/search?q=Islamic+State+daesh&ei=gTjqYMSsKpu1tAb-5pWwDw&oq=Islamic+State+daesh&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAM6BQgAEJECOgIIADoFCAAQhgNKBAhBGAFQ6JcVWOuhFWD2qRVoAXAAeACAAaEEiAHzD5IBCzAuMi4xLjAuMS4ymAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpesABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwiE8ePl3tnxAhWbGs0KHX5zBfYQ4dUDCA4&uact=5 Daesh], which is not so well known in English language sources. --Louis P. Boog (talk) 00:27, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

:Don't use ISIS: '[http://www.newsweek.com/woman-named-isis-asking-you-stop-saying-isis-269980 A Woman Named Isis Asks You to Stop Saying ISIS]' (there's a petition about this). I recommend use English (ISIL); 'IS' is also confusing, and Daesh isn't English (so as you showed, is even more confusing)--dchmelik☀️🦉🐝🐍(talk|contrib) 14:24, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 June 2024

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Please added Hindu terrorism, Hindutva, and Hindu nationalism in the "See also" section of the article. As these are all Hindu fundamentalist idealogy which are noted for anti-Islamic activities. 2409:40E0:1008:D849:A8B6:6253:FAD1:B80C (talk) 12:24, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

:{{done}} TheNuggeteer (talk) 06:38, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 September 2024

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Hi! The information page about 9/11 incident on wikipedia includes some words that hurt the sentiments of Muslims. For example words like Islamist Extremism and Islamic Terrorism have been used and if we click on these words they the info explains that these are the ideas and thoughts within Islam which is a lie. Islam has nothing to do with Terrorism or Extremism and the one who kills human beings has nothing to do with Islam. 24.72.24.114 (talk) 15:56, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

:File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Wikipedia must be written in a neutral point of view, which means it's articles should not be written in a certain view like a Muslim POV or Christian POV. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 05:55, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Major WP:Scope and [[Wikipedia:Article size|WP:SIZE]] problems.

As it stands, this article is already struggling to contain everything it could, and the article length is excessive and disproportionate. I propose removing the “Examplss of organizations and acts” section. The article already covers all the key aspects, such as terminology, history, motivations, and criticisms, while the detailed examples of attacks by country are better suited for existing articles such as: "List of Islamist terrorist attacks", and ":Category:Islamic terrorism by country" and ":Category:Islamic terrorist incidents by year" to which we can add the "Main article:" or "See also:" links.

Including every country's example here, by haphazardly cobbling together scattered events, creates unnecessary clutter, making the article disorienting and diluting its central focus. So, I recommend that we simply tighten the article's WP:Scope by removing this section and leaving links in its place. Edit: Since, I still haven't received any response, guess I'll have to poke @Pincrete, @Doug Weller, @VR, @TheNuggeteer, @Iskandar323, @Dsp13, @Abo Yemen, @Bishonen, @Bookku e.t.c StarkReport (talk) 12:34, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 18 November 2024

:The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) JJPMaster (she/they) 18:57, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

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:Islamic terrorism → ? – Both words of the current title are a problem:

  • Islamic - Saying "Islamic terrorism" without qualification could be interpreted as implying that "terrorism" is typical or intrinsic to Islam, or all Muslims.
  • Terrorism - The word terrorism is too vague, and too politically loaded (MOS:TERRORIST), unless the page is going to be rewritten as a critique of how the label "terrorist" is used.

I don't have a specific alternative to suggest, but I believe the current page name needs discussion. Industrial Metal Brain (talk) 05:52, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

:Oppose move anywhere. We had this whole discussion on a sub page of this one, forgot which one, and it is clearly the common name. It doesn't imply that, as much as Left-wing terrorism implies all leftists are terrorists. It's a specific type of terrorism that has specific considerations, and is far and away the common name.

:MOS:TERRORIST does not apply here, unless you are going to critique that terrorism is even a thing. We are not applying this to a person, this is about the phenomenon. Do you want us to change the name of the Terrorism page? Ridiculous. PARAKANYAA (talk) 13:29, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Semi-protected edit request on 19 April 2025

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hello I want request that you please look into where you say they commit terrorist acts to civilians based on quran/shariah/hadith. There is real proof that the quran and hadith and shariah do not say to do these things and any educated Islamic scholar will say the same to you. this is misinformation and should please be looked into. thank you Azansui (talk) 00:30, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

:File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Day Creature (talk) 00:55, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 April 2025

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With great difficulty, I have learnt to create a sentence with a source. Please add this just after the first sentence in the 3rd paragraph of the lead: Those who survive get the booty and those who die are martyrs who enter heaven.{{cite web | title=Translation of Sahih Bukhari | website=International Islamic University Malaysia – Garden of Knowledge and Virtue | url=https://www.iium.edu.my/deed/hadith/bukhari/ | access-date=1 May 2025}}{{cite web | title=[PDF] Sahih al-Bukhari (Arabic-English) Vol. 1-9 : Darussalam : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive | website=Internet Archive | date=23 October 2016 | url=https://archive.org/details/sahih-al-bukhari-arabic-english-full/sahih-al-bukhari-english-vol-1/page/n3/mode/1up | page=72 | access-date=30 April 2025}} To die as a martyr is one of the greatest honors.{{cite web | last=Al-Sibai | first=Amal | title=To die a Martyr | website=Saudigazette | date=2 March 2018 | url=https://saudigazette.com.sa/article/529534 | access-date=1 May 2025}}Mossadegh2 (talk) 19:25, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

:Nobody has bothered to add the above.-Mossadegh2 (talk) 19:04, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

::Moved references to mention of martyrdom in lead. Longer discussion in section "Islamic terrorism#Martyrdom/Istishhad". HudecEmil (talk) 11:16, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

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Requested move 4 May 2025

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:Islamic terrorism → {{no redirect|Islamist terrorism}} – Islamist terrorism is more neutral as it names the ideology Islamism not the religion. It is what most governments, NGOs, and mainstream outlets have converged on. Even the article itself says - Islamic terrorism is highly politicized and a misnomer.

See https://www.cair.com/blog/good-news-associated-press-takes-positive-step-on-use-of-islamist/ (Associated Press recommended use of the term “Islamist” by media professionals. )

Many articles like September 11 attacks also use Islamist instead of Islamic. I'd argue Islamist terrorism is WP:COMMONNAME

. Cinaroot (talk) 21:02, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

:Oppose please scroll up to argument we had about this less than six months ago. Islamist is a specific ideology, not just a generic term for Islam. Not all Islamic terrorism is islamist. The current scope of this page is terrorism committed by Muslims, a move would be a quite massive reduction. PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:59, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

::Its wrong to say this article is about terrorism committed by Muslims. Article opening reads ".. refers to terrorist acts carried out by fundamentalist militant Islamists and Islamic extremists." This article is not about Muslim terrorism.

::Not all Islamic terrorism is islamist. A Muslim could carry out an attack for purely personal or other non‑Islamist reasons- then is that Islamic terrorism to you? Cinaroot (talk) 02:17, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

:::And Islamic extremists. A Islamic extremist is not Islamist per se. Terrorism is extremist inherently. And yes, so could a Christian, but that has no relation to the religion. PARAKANYAA (talk) 16:13, 6 May 2025 (UTC)