Talk:Italian diaspora#Split needed

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I don't know much about this topic. I started this page in hopes that someone who does know about this topic will pick it up. I want to learn more {,,ha,,¢{pplpppoabout this because, obviously, I'm a result ,,,,++'}}©}}}} \\, ] the Italian diaspora. -- Andrew Parodi 14:37, 11 November 2005 (UTC) ,,<<{{©©©l

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It took a while, but I put something up. It is still shakey in parts, but I hope to keep working on it. It needs, for example, something or "return emigration". Anyway, hope this helps. Jeffmatt 05:49, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Im afraid the table added is misleading and might be more appropriate elsewhere (Italian people??). Some countries, (Switzerland, France, Monaco, San Marino and Croatia) have a native Italian poulation- this is not part of a diaspora. To separate immigrants from native Italians in France and Switzerland would be a daunting task, one for which info may not exist. In addition, the table only gives a current "snapshot" (with some errors, I might add) and does not consider the historical fluctuations and forces that are (or should be) outlined in the article. For example, regarding Croatia there was more of an exodus than a diaspora. Apart from the large native population already there, Italians moved to places like Istria and Dalmatia when they were part of Italy (not Croatia). The population shown on the list indicates mostly native Italians that chose to stay- a small number compared to before 2nd world war. Mariokempes 18:10, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

This article focuses more on the Italian Diaspora in the United States. There should be more written about the Italian Diaspora around the world. There are more people of Italian descent living in Brazil and Argentina compare to the United States, and there are millions of Italians living in Canada and Australia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lehoiberri (talk • contribs) 15:02, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

brazil have the most number of italian descents in the world (states of rio grande do sul, sao paulo, espirito santo, santa catarina and others); in southern brazil northern italians was majority but in sao paulo and rest southern italians was majority and urbans (tardios/xx-i etc); in paraiba state the center of laws in northern zone/downtown joao pessoa was a project of italian origin by italian imigrants northeastern brazil; in brazil have a pejorative term for italians called "carcamano" (the term carcamano in brazil is a no honest men, no fair, etc) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.64.32.15 (talk) 18:23, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

the most important italian in anciet brazil was dom filipo di cavalcanti from firenze toscana center-northern italy between padania and lazio etruria he have the most number of descendents in brazil (whites and hispanics) is the western men out of west homeland with the most number of descendents in all world — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.64.32.15 (talk) 19:13, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

the descendents of dom filipo was majority in pernambuco and paraiba northeast but too in ceara and before rio de janeiro sao paulo brasilia etc (via internal migrations) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.64.32.15 (talk) 19:15, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

There it is a difference between Egyptian Italians and Italian Egyptians. The first are Foreigners in Italy, while the second are Italians in Egypt. The same happens with Maltese Italians, Nizzardo Italians, Corsican Italians, Tunisian Italians, Dalmatian Italians and Corfiot Italians: they all are ITALIANS (related to the irredentism) in other countries, but NOT foreigners in Italy (even if someone of them are a big community in Italy, like the Dalmatian Italians, after their exodus because of WWII). A Nizzardo Italian like Giuseppe Garibaldi cannot be considered a foreigner in Italy.......may be the confusion is related to the country name at the beginning (like Corfiot Italians, instead of Italians of Corfu), but everybody with a simple reading of the article will understand that they are Italians (or descendants of Italians) and not Greeks or Croats or French or Arabs.--Pannonicus (talk) 20:55, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

:Agreed. This article is about the diaspora. Recent changes, while perhaps well intended, have changed this article to something completely off track. I must say something, however: this focus on Italian irredentism is, at best, marginally worth mentioning and does not deserve such focus. Some writers (and I am convinced it's really only one -or at most two) are bent on creating some sort of revisionist, neo-expansionist dogma. Please!!! it is getting quite tiring! Mariokempes (talk) 23:59, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

::Perhaps it should be that the 'Nizzardo Italian' pages should as you have to say, be changed to something like 'Italian Nizzardo'? yes yes that would to be better, do you aggree? And what do you mean about

:"There it is a difference between Egyptian Italians and Italian Egyptians. The first are Foreigners in Italy, while the second are Italians in Egypt"??

:I never to have said that they were the same thing? so why you say that i have? Crystalclearchanges (talk) 19:00, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Italians Today section seems to me odd. What is this trying to say? Also look up diaspora it does not mean all the people that can be called Italian etnic group so the list on the bottom is not correct. Its not just foreigners and outside Italy like it says.

:Agreed and removed. Mariokempes (talk) 19:37, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

I see someone dumped an entire section from Italians here, creating a great deal of overlap. I agree to have the bulk of it here, however, not all is applicable. For starters, I removed the section on Istria/Dalmatia since that is written about a native Italian population and not immigrants. Many other Italians migrated there when it was a part of Italy (so technically, not really about the diaspora but can be mentioned here), but the majority were already there, including Italianised Slavs. Duomodimilano (talk) 23:44, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

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From what I have read from the article, it specifically talks more so of the Italian emigrants than say also for the descendants. By definition, a "diaspora" is when an ethnic group is outside their original homeland. It seems a little imbalanced to me and is more informative and relating to the Italian emigrants when it should be equalized among both the emigrants and their descendants. --Scarslayer01 (talk) 02:58, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Do Northern Italians migrate internally to southern locations? Why or why not? 93.32.150.84 (talk) 18:44, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

:{{done}} Great question: I added information about the Lombards of Sicily. --LukeWiller (talk) 20:56, 4 April 2022 (UTC).

The intro paragraph is a little confusing in that it refers in some detail to the first diaspora, but not the second, even though it clearly states there are two. Perhaps reference to the years of the second should be added, and detail cut about the first and reserves for the body sections. 73.2.78.44 (talk) 12:54, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

is the reason for significant human diasporas more due to domestic causes, or post industrial, fossil fuel based, possibilities to relocate far & wide.. 12.146.12.2 (talk) 00:26, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

As at Talk:Italians#Article assessment, I'm boldy updating the WP:GRADE of this article from B-class to C-class. Since the most recent assessment, the article {{diff|diff=1296185641|oldid=1121354638|label=has been expanded massively}}, and I think it's now WP:TOOBIG to be comfortably read and understood, so B-class criteria 3, 4 and 6 are now questionable. See also #Split needed below. Pineapple Storage (talk) 21:01, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

§{{nbsp}}Background of ancient Italian migrations and §{{nbsp}}History are long enough that they could easily be WP:SPLIT into {{no redirect|History of the Italian diaspora}}, and §{{nbsp}}By continent feels like it could easily be split to Italian diaspora by continent (or even Italian diaspora in Africa, Italian diaspora in the Americas, etc.); the hatnotes for §{{nbsp}}Americas are particularly noticeable:{{Main|Italian Americans|Italian Argentines|Italian Bolivians|Italian Brazilians|Italian Canadians|Italian Chileans|Italian Colombians|Italian Costa Ricans|Italian Cubans|Italian Dominicans|Italian Ecuadorians|Italian Guatemalans|Italian Haitians|Italian Hondurans|Italian Mexicans|Italian Panamanians|Italian Paraguayans|Italian Peruvians|Italian Puerto Ricans|Italian Salvadorans|Italian Uruguayans|Italian Venezuelans}}

{{Further|Sicilian American|Calabrian diaspora|List of Italian-American neighborhoods|Italian Americans in New York City|History of the Italian Americans in Philadelphia|Italian Americans in Boston|Italians in Chicago|Italians in New Orleans|History of the Italians in Baltimore|History of the Italian Americans in Metro Detroit|History of the Italians in Mississippi|Italians in Syracuse, New York|Utah Italians|Italian Canadians in the Greater Toronto Area|Italian Canadians in Greater Montreal}}

{{see also|Italians in the United States before 1880}} I mean... wow.

So, I'm proposing the following splits:

• §{{nbsp}}Background of ancient Italian migrations and §{{nbsp}}History {{arrow|right}} {{no redirect|History of the Italian diaspora}}
• §{{nbsp}}Africa {{arrow|right}} Italian diaspora in Africa
• §{{nbsp}}Americas {{arrow|right}} Italian diaspora in the Americas (or Italian diaspora in North America and Italian diaspora in South America)
• §{{nbsp}}Asia {{arrow|right}} Italian diaspora in Asia
• §{{nbsp}}Europe {{arrow|right}} Italian diaspora in Europe
• §{{nbsp}}Oceania {{arrow|right}} Italian diaspora in Oceania (or, if appropriate, Italian diaspora in Australasia, as there is currently no discussion of Oceania other than Australasia)

Pineapple Storage (talk) 21:03, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{block indent|em=1.6|1=Notified: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ethnic groups, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Italy, User talk:Andrew Parodi, User talk:LukeWiller. Pineapple Storage (talk) 21:30, 28 June 2025 (UTC)}}