Talk:Jaiden Animations

Should we keep this? Jdn2004 (talk) 11:34, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Jdn2004 No. There's no ref. Nor was there one for American artists of Japanese descent or American people of Asian descent. I've removed them all. Strugglehouse (talk) 14:34, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

::Idk where does the German one comes from. But Jaiden stated a few times in her videos that she's partially of Japanese descent.Artemis Andromeda (talk) 15:21, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

:::@Artemis Andromeda I'm happy for these to be re-added if refs are provided. Strugglehouse (talk) 15:23, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

::::So I checked, and to be honest, I thought there more of direct statement of her descent in her videos, but I guess maybe my memory just filled in the gaps. Sadly, this is the only thing I could find for now, so idk if it's good enough. In this [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XFr0dk6Ca7o&pp=0gcJCf0Ao7VqN5tD video], at around 6:50, she sais she "got some Asian blood" while showing flag of Japan. And in this [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=byldfZxK0AU video] she described herself to "look Asian". Artemis Andromeda (talk) 15:36, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::@Artemis Andromeda I'd say the "Asian blood" one is probably enough to say she has Japanese/Asian heritage. If a better reference can be found that'd be good, but I'd say this is probably good for now. I'll add it. Strugglehouse (talk) 16:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

How do you pronounce "Dittfach"? Jdn2004 (talk) 11:15, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

:Im pretty sure its ditt-faech Jdn2004 (talk) 09:57, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

:It is of German (or Germanic origin), and assuming her family preserved original pronunciation, it would be /dɪtfax/ (dit-faH).Artemis Andromeda (talk) 02:24, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

::I think when her family migrated to the USA they anglicized the pronounciation so its pronounced

::Help:IPA/English (talk) 08:18, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

::: Jdn2004 (talk) 08:22, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

::I'm sorry but that sounds like WP:OR. Also, I don't really see how Fach would evolve into that sound.Artemis Andromeda (talk) 10:46, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Jdn2004 As shown by the replies here, there's no real way of knowing how Dittfach and her family pronounce the name/whether the traditional pronunciation has been kept or anglicised. This certainly couldn't be added to the article unless there was audio/video of Dittfach herself saying the name. Strugglehouse (talk) 13:40, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

I noticed article doesnt really go into her streaming video games etc, despite calling her streamer a few times. Does anyone knows where to find some sources to expand that topic in the article? Artemis Andromeda (talk) 23:47, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

:Perhaps on some internet news websites. Jdn2004 (talk) 10:23, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Artemis Andromeda The article doesn't mention that she streams video games, nor does it mention she's a streamer at all. Strugglehouse (talk) 13:03, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

::She's put in caterories such as Twich streamers and LGBT streamers. So, I think, the article should either elaborate on that, or she should be removed from those categories.Artemis Andromeda (talk) 13:52, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

:::I don't think streaming a few times makes you a streamer, so I'll remove these categories. Strugglehouse (talk) 13:52, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

::::She did do a 1 nonth long subathon once though. Jdn2004 (talk) 14:08, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::@Jdn2004 If a reliable source can be found for it, it can be added. Strugglehouse (talk) 14:11, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

I think this should be addressed, before it spirals into an edit war. In my opinion, song "Rise Above" should not be listed in her discography. She did not write it, perform it, or compose it. She commissioned other artist to make it for one of her videos, and is, by lack of better term, a publisher at best. To quote description on this [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs_ok7fF_s4 YT video]: "Written, Produced, and Mixed by Alexander Bergil; Performed by Rainych:; Translations by Datenkou:; Mixing Assistance RoomieOfficial". Similar thing is said on [https://www.discogs.com/release/26641799-Jaiden-Animations-Rainych-Alexander-Bergil-Jaiden-Animations-presents-Rise-Above?srsltid=AfmBOoreayWeq84KEP0AyfzIz2kqsL2JDWnUosCdfP4zXAw_GTFus86x discogs.com]: "Jaiden Animations presents: Rise Above. An original song by Jaiden, performed by Rainych Ran with writing and production by Alexander Bergil". As such, I really do not see why this song should be listed in her discography, especially that it makes her look like she sung it. Artemis Andromeda (talk) 13:59, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

:I mean, 90% of the visiuals are of her character and it was uploaded to her youtube channel, and the title is "jaidenanimations the anime" so i think it should count. Jdn2004 (talk) 14:11, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

::This is about song itself. Not music video. The obly thing that counts for Discorgaphy is sound, not visuals. Artemis Andromeda (talk) 14:14, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Artemis Andromeda It doesn't matter who sang the song. That's not what makes an artist. It was released under her name on all streaming platforms. That's what makes her the artist. Even in the quote you used, it shows she is the artist: "An original song by Jaiden". Strugglehouse (talk) 14:13, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

::An artist, by definition, creates something. What was her imput in that song, asside from paying for it and slapping her branding on it? Artemis Andromeda (talk) 14:15, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

:::@Artemis Andromeda In terms of music, "artist" can mean a number of different things. As she was the overall coordinator of the work, and the work was related under her name, she is one of the artists. She doesn't have to sing or compose it to count as such. This means it should be listed on her page, as reliable sources exist to show she is the name these works were released under. Strugglehouse (talk) 14:25, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

::::Again, no. "Artist" when it comes to discography refers to singer, eventually to composer, maybe writer if stated as such. There are standards of what means what on Wikipedia article. You don't see studio executives having their Wikipedia articles crediing them for all the songs thier studio released while they were in charge Artemis Andromeda (talk) 14:31, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::@Artemis Andromeda Show me the "Wikipedia standard" that says "if a song is released under the name of someone but they didn't sing it, it's not their song". Your example is not the same at all. Being an employee at a studio which played a part in the production of a song is not the same and the song being by that person. The Rise Above songs are by JaidenAnimations. They are released as such on all streaming platforms. Whether she sang them or not is irrelevant. Plenty of songs are released under names of people who didn't sing them. Strugglehouse (talk) 14:37, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::"Plenty of songs are released under names of people who didn't sing them"... WTF are u talking about. No, there isn't. People aren't buying albums of Taylor Swift to listen to Jenny Nobody. I can't think of a single case of popular artist realising an album full of songs by other people, while taking full credit for them. Artemis Andromeda (talk) 15:22, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::No need to be rude. There are indeed plenty of songs released under names of people who don't sing them. For example, Mark Ronson and Clean Bandit often release music sung by others. Strugglehouse (talk) 15:25, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::::This doesn't strike me as a compelling argument as Ronson and Clean Bandit are attaching their names to songs they produced in some way(as far as I'm aware), while Dittfach doesn't appear to have been involved in the creation of the song if I'm understanding the disagreement correctly.

::::::::That said, since she is credited as the artist, I support including it, maybe with some sort of note that the song was "Written, Produced, and Mixed by Alexander Bergil; Performed by Rainych" etc. Taffer😊💬_(she/they) 17:34, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::@LaffyTaffer Thank you, this is exactly what I'm saying. She's credited as the artist, so these should be added as her songs. I am perfectly happy with including something that says it was performed and written by others. Strugglehouse (talk) 18:05, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

: At this point, I'm considering just removing discography altogether from this page. She is a youtuber, not a musician, and one song, doesn't really seem to justify this section's existence, especially, when there aren't even any non-primary sources talking about it. I would say, most youtubers throuout their carriers make at least one songs, and I don't see them usually included on the wikipedia pages. JackFilms, who is mentioned in this article made a song "Twiter for Android", yet it is not mentioned in his page, cause it's just one video in his library and he is not a musician. Or on the opiate end of spectrum, TomSka published on his channel multiple songs (mostly not performed by him), yet he doens't have discography either, cause he's a YouTuber and not a musician.Artemis Andromeda (talk) 17:46, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

::That seems reasonable. I hadn't been aware she was involved in anything musical at all before reading this article. If there aren't secondary sources talking about the music, then it probably doesn't warrant inclusion. Taffer😊💬_(she/they) 17:52, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

::@Artemis Andromeda She's still the artist on all these songs, whether featured or not. They have refs, and they should be included.

::Additionally, Jacksfilms actually is a musician, it's mentioned in the very first sentence of his article. Strugglehouse (talk) 17:59, 23 June 2025 (UTC)