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In the History section, after the following sentence "By the time of Muhammad bin Qasim's conquest of Sind in the eighth century, Arab writers described agglomerations of Jats, known to them as Zutt,[e] in the arid, the wet, and the mountainous regions of the conquered land of Sindh." please add the following (feel free to rephrase or condense as you deem fit):

Several medieval Muslim chronicles such as the Chach Nama, Tarikh-I-Baihaqi and Zainul-Akhbar have recorded battles between Jats and forces of Muhammad ibn al-Qasim,Chapter by S Jabir Raza Passages in the Chachnama, Zainul-Akhbar And Tarikh-i-Baihaqi, Text and Translation, from the book The Jats, Their Role and contribution to the socio-Economic Life and Polity of North and North-West India, Volume 2, pp. 43–52 at battle of Aror (Rohri), the united forces of King Dahir and the eastern Jats jointly fought against Muhammad ibn al-Qasim.{{citation |last=Wink |first=André |title=Al-Hind: The Making of the Indo-Islamic World, Vol 1: Early Medieval India and the Expansion of Islam |publisher=Brill |year=2002 |orig-year=first published 1990 |isbn=9780391041738 |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=g2m7_R5P2oAC}}, pp=201–205.

Thank you.

220.255.242.109 (talk) 18:09, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 February 2025

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In the list of jatt clans add chahal clan as well. 2607:FEA8:B70:1900:B545:FA2A:9D4C:E9AA (talk) 00:27, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

:I have done as you requested. I could not find a reliable source for this, but the not so good sources all confirmed that chahal is a jat clan. Furthermore, most clans in the list are unsourced. {{done}} Lova Falk (talk) 13:20, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

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2607:FEA8:B70:1900:B545:FA2A:9D4C:E9AA (talk) 04:18, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

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Add additional information under brief historical overview for the Muslim Jats, just as it was done for Hindu Jats and Sikh Jats.

Add the Rohilla dynasty of Rohilkhand and Rampur, founded by the converted Muslim Jat Nawab Ali Mohammed KhanSastri, K. A. Nilakanta; Srinivasachari, G. (1971). [https://books.google.com/books?id=dvkgAAAAMAAJ Advanced history of India]. Allied Publishers. p. 572. OCLC [https://search.worldcat.org/title/976740387 976740387]. "Ali Muhammad Khan, a converted Jat, built up a large principality with its seat at Aonla, 18 miles north-west of Bareilly city and gained recognition from the Delhi court."Prasad, Ishwari (1973). [https://books.google.com/books?id=8CmG2uojMOcC India in the Eighteenth Century]. Chugh Publications. p. 152. OCLC [https://search.worldcat.org/title/732111 732111]. "Daud was an adventurer of considerable ability and warlike spirit and in a short time gathered around himself a large number of followers. Ali Muhammad who was born of Jat parents was brought up by him as a child and converted to Islam."Gupta, Hari Ram (1999) [1980]. [https://books.google.com/books?id=82wwAQAAIAAJ History of the Sikhs]. Vol. III: Sikh Domination of the Mughal Empire (1764–1803) (2nd rev. ed.). Munshiram Manoharlal. p. 11. ISBN 978-81-215-0213-9. OCLC [https://search.worldcat.org/title/165428303 165428303]. "The real founder of the Rohilla power was Ali Muhammad, from whom sprang the present line of the Nawabs of Rampur. Originally a Hindu Jat, who was taken prisoner when a young boy by Daud in one of his plundering expeditions, at village Bankauli in the parganah of Chaumahla, and was converted to Islam and adopted by him."Prasad, Bisheshwar (1978). "Ruhelkhand and Farrukhabad". In Banerjee, A. C.; Ghosh, D.K. (eds.). [https://books.google.com/books?id=ggduAAAAMAAJ A Comprehensive History of India]. Vol. 9 (1712–1772). People's Publishing House. p. 140. OCLC [https://search.worldcat.org/title/1405593320 1405593320]. "There he is reported to have captured a Jat boy of about eight years whom he brought up as his son and named Ali Muhammad Khan, who lived to be his successor and the founder of the state of Ruhelkhand."

Rashid, Abdur (1957). "The Rohillas". In Husain, Mahmud; et al. (eds.). [https://books.google.com/books?id=Mo-GvHjoH-cC A History of the Freedom Movement]. Vol. I: 1707–1831. Pakistan Historical Society. p. 304. OCLC [https://search.worldcat.org/title/1129482853 1129482853]. "Amongst other prisoners he obtained a young Jat boy of eight years.1 Daud took a fancy to him and adopted him as his son and named him 'Ali Muhammad Khan."Srivastava, Ashirbadi Lal (1954). [https://books.google.com/books?id=XUQeAAAAIAAJ The First Two Nawabs of Oudh] (2nd rev. ed.). Shiva Lal Agarwala & Co. Ltd. p. 103. OCLC [https://search.worldcat.org/title/678892685 678892685]. "While in the service of Mudar Shah of Madhkar, 13 miles east of Chandausi, Daud took part in an expedition against the ruler of Bankauli, 26 miles north of Bareilly, where fell into his hands among other things a handsome Jat boy of seven or eight years of age. He converted the boy into Islam, named him Ali Muhammad Khan and adopted him as his son."Khan, Iqbal Ghani (2002). "Technology and the Question of Elite Intervention in Eighteenth-Century North India". In Barnett, Richard B. (ed.). [https://books.google.com/books?id=_jJuAAAAMAAJ Rethinking Early Modern India]. Manohar Publishers & Distributors. p. 271. ISBN 978-81-7304-308-6. "Thus we witness the Ruhelas accepting an exceptionally talented non-Afghan, an adopted Jat boy, as their nawab, purely on the basis of his military leadership; ...".

Add mention of Chitu Khan{{cite book |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=5HPc_EgwUg8C&dq=chitu+khan+british&pg=PA25 |title=The Strangled Traveler |page=25 |author=Martine van Woerkens |year=2002 |publisher=University of Chicago Press |isbn=9780226850856 }}{{cite book |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=sNoz_F_wQPkC&dq=chitu+khan+jat&pg=PA220 |title=Britain's Empire: Resistance, Repression and Revolt |page=220 |author=Richard Gott |year=2011 |publisher=Verso Books |isbn=9781844677382 }}, an anti-British Pindari general who played an important role in the Third Anglo-Maratha war.

Fortuitus20 (talk) 23:55, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

:In addition:

:Add mention of the Langah dynastyhttps://books.google.com/books?id=oeItAAAAMAAJ&q=Langah+Multan of the Multan Sultanate.

:Add the rebel Zutt principality in Basra, following the Capture of Basra. Fortuitus20 (talk) 00:00, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

::@Fortuitus20 Can you please explain on where to add this information? Warriorglance(talk to me) 12:21, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

:::I assume he wanted to add this under "Muslim Jats History" section, as he complained about the historical overview. But you will need to phrase it to fit the paragraph. You can use the Muslim Jats page for reference. Also, Langah dynasty has disputed origins and Chitu Khan does not have his own page, so I think we should ignore them for now. Instead, you can add Saadullah Khan and his descendants (Mutawassil Khan and Nizam Muzaffar Jang Hidayat) to the page.[https://books.google.com/books?id=ml5xAAAAMAAJ Journal of Central Asia]. Centre for the Study of the Civilizations of Central Asia, Quaid-i-Azam University. 1992. p. 84. "Sadullah Khan was the son of Amir Bakhsh, a cultivator of Chiniot. He belonged to a Jat family. He was born on Thursday, the 10th Safar 1000 A.H./1591 A.C."Beveridge H. (1952). [https://archive.org/details/dli.ernet.507589 The Maathir Ul Umara Vol-ii (1952)]. The Calcutta Oriental Press Ltd. p. 647. Ironborn392 (talk) 09:49, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

::::{{Done}}: Rohilla Dynasty and Chitu Khan have been added into the article. Warriorglance(talk to me) 11:39, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::Thanks. However, you have set the link to Ali Mohammed Khakwani, governor of Multan. Ali Mohammed Khan of Rohilkhand was separate. Ironborn392 (talk) 21:29, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

::::::Done. Warriorglance(talk to me) 06:50, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 April 2025

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Add Fateh Khan Jat,the 17th century Robber chief in the Muslim Jat section .He should be included in this article because he was one of the first major Jat chieftain in Punjab and he was one of the very few chiefs to resist Sher Shah Suri in Punjab and resist other invading groups such as Balochs.

Sources:

https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.142865/page/n275/mode/1up?q=Fath

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=6L6avTlqJNYC&pg=PA126&dq=Fateh+khan+Jat&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&ovdme=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjFvb6vtMSMAxUSVUEAHfA9IGo4ChDoAXoECAkQAw#v=onepage&q=Fateh%20khan%20Jat&f=false

https://archive.org/details/historyoftheafghans_201911/page/n325/mode/1up?q=Fath

https://archive.org/details/tarikh-i-sher-shahi-of-abbas-khan-sarwani-persian-to-english-k-p-jayaswal-resear/page/600/mode/1up

https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.181748/page/n124/mode/1up?q=Fateh+khan+Jat Crustytuna (talk) 20:30, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{notdone}} While you have included references, you should also show that including this individual in this article is relevant. And, probably, you also need consensus. RegentsPark (comment) 20:38, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

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Add Fateh Khan Jat,the 17th century Robber chief in the Muslim Jat section .He should be included in this article because he was one of the first major Jat chieftain in Punjab and he was one of the very few chiefs to resist Sher Shah Suri in Punjab and resist other invading groups such as Balochs. Sources:

https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.181748/page/n124/mode/1up?q=Fateh+khan+Jat

https://archive.org/details/tarikh-i-sher-shahi-of-abbas-khan-sarwani-persian-to-english-k-p-jayaswal-resear/page/600/mode/1up

https://archive.org/details/historyoftheafghans_201911/page/n325/mode/1up?q=Fath

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=6L6avTlqJNYC&pg=PA126&dq=Fateh+khan+Jat&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&ovdme=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjFvb6vtMSMAxUSVUEAHfA9IGo4ChDoAXoECAkQAw#v=onepage&q=Fateh%20khan%20Jat&f=false

https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.142865/page/n275/mode/1up?q=Fath Crustytuna (talk) 07:03, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{Not done}}: No article=no inclusion; separate article required in Wikipedia; also, other reasons have been mentioned above by RegentsPark! Ekdalian (talk) 06:51, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 April 2025

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In the specific list of jat surnames, the following exaustive list be added, since the the current list is very limited and skewed:

"JAT SURNAMES"

A

Abusaria , Achara , Agah , Agre , Ahlawat , Ajmeria , Anaadi , Andhak , Antal , Asiagh , Atri , Atwal , Aujla , Aulakh .

B

Babal , Bachhal , Badesha , Badyal , Bagri , Bahia , Baht , Baidwan , Bains , Bajwa , Bajya , Balhara , Balyan , Bamraulia , Bana , Bansi , Basati , Bargoti , Barjati , Barola , Basra , Basram , Basran , Bassi , Baswan , Batar , Beniwal , Benning , Bhadare , Bhadiar , Bhadu , Bhalla , Bhalli , Bhalothia , Bhandohal , Bhambu , Bhandal , Bhangu , Bharak , Bharhaich , Bhari , Bhattal , Bhatti , Bhela , Bhichar , Bhind , Bhinder , Bhukar , Bhullar , Bijarniya , Billing , Birl , Birk ,Bogan/Boughan , Brar , Braich , Budania , Budhwar , Burdak , Buttar , Bhatta , Baryar .

C

Chadhar , Chahal , Chahar , Chaitha ,Chakkal , Chandel , Chani , Chatha , Cheema , Chhina , Chikkara , Chhillar , Chilka , Chheena.

D

Dabas , Dabra , Dagur , Dahiya , Dalal , Dandiwal , Dangi , Deo , Deol , Deshwal , Dhaderio , Dhadli , Dhaka , Dhaliwal , Dhama , Dhankhar , Dhanoa , Dharan , Dharni , Dhariwal , Dhatarwal , Dhatt , Dhaulya , Dhaurelia , Dheendsa , Dhesi , Dhull , Dhillon , Dhindawal , Dhindsa , Dholia , Dhonchak , Dhoot , Dookya , Dosanjh , Dudi , Duhan , Duhoon , Dullar .

F

Fageria , Fandan , Farswal , Faugat , Faujdar .

G

Gahlot , Gaina , Gakhal , Gandas , Gandhar , Garcha , Garewal , Garhwal , Gauria , Gehlawat , Ghangas , Ghatwala , Ghumman , Ghick , Ghugh , Gill , Godara , Gora , goraya , Gosal , Goyat , Grewal , Gulia , Gurai , Guram , Gurm .

H

Harl , Hala , Hanga , Hans , Hayer , Heer , Hooda , Hundal , Harika.

I

Inania.

J

Jaswal , Jaglan , Jagpal , Jajra , Jakhar ,Jandu , Janu , Janghu , Janjua , Janmeja , Jatasra , Jatrana , Jatri , Jauhal , Jawanda , Jethoo , Jewlia , Jhaal ,Jhaj , Jhajharia , Jhammat , Jhinjar , Jhuj , Jhutti , Johal , Johiya , Joon.

K

Khichar, Kadian , Kahlon , Kajala , Kak , Kakran , Kaler , Kalirai/Kalirouna , Kalkat , Kalkhande , Kalwaniya , Kandhola , Kang , Karwasra , Kaswan , Kataria , Katewa , Kehal , Khainwar , Khaira , Khakh , Khakha , Khalia , Khangura , Kharb , Kharoud , Khatkar , Kherwa , , Khirwar , Khinger , Khokhar , Khoja , Khosa , Khoye , Khullar , Kisana , Kooner , Kuhar , Kular / Kullar , Kularia , Kulhari , Kundu , Kuntal .

L

Lahoria , Lakhan , Lakhlan , Lakra , Lalli , Lally , Langrial , Lather , Lathwal , Lehga , Lengha , Liddar or Lidder , Lochab / Lochav .

M

Maan , Manda , Manak , Madrak , Mahal , Mahil , Mahawal , Maichu , Malik , Malhan , Mander , Mandeer , Mandhan , Mandiwal , Manes , Mangat , Mann , Mede , Mehmi , Mehria , Meel , Mohar , Mohil , Monga , Moond , Moonga , Motsara , Mundi , Mungut , Mavi .

N

Naga , Nagauria , Nagra , Nahl , Nain , Nandal , Nantaal , Narwal , Natt , Nauhwar , Nehra , Nijjar , Nirwal , Nirman , Nirwan , Nitharwal .

O

Ohlan , Ola , Ottal , Othi .

P

Pachar , Pachehra , Padda , Palrwal , Palsania , Panaich , Panag , Pandher , Panghal , Pangli , Pannu , Pansota , Panwar , Parihar , Paul , Parhaar , Parmaar , Pawar , Phalaswal , Phogat , Pilania , Pooni , Poria , Potaysir , Punia , Punial , Punian , Purewal , Purwar .

R

Rahar , Rai , Rajaura , Rajawat , Rajian , Rakkar , Rana , Randhawa , Ranjha , Ranu , Ranwa , Rasoda , Rathore , Rataul , Rathi , Rawala , Redhu , Reen , Rehal , Repswal , Rhind-Tutt , Riar , Romana , Rulania , Rupal .

S

Saharan , Sahota , Samra , Sandhar , Sandha , Sandhu , Sangha , Sanghera , Sangwan , Sangra , Sansanwal , Sapra , Sarai , Sarao , Saroha , Seen , Sehmi , Sehrawat , Sehwag , Sejwal , Sekhon , Seokhand , Seoran , Shahi , Sahi , Shergill , Smith , Shokeen , Shoker /Shocker , Shokhanda , Sial , Sidhu , Singroha , Sihota , Sikarwar , Sinsinwar , Sirohi , Siwach , Soban , Sudan /Sudhan , Sohal , Sohi , Solanki , Sooch , Sra , Sran , Suhag , Sumal , Sunda , Sunner .

T

Takhar , Takshak , Tanwar , Tarar , Tatla , Tatran , Teerwal , Tevatia , Thakran , Thandi , Tharoda , Thathiala , Thenua , Thind , Thori , Tiwana , Tokas , Tomar , Toor , Toot , Tott , Tuar , Tung , Tushir , Tutt .

U

Udar , Ujjwal , Uppal .

V

Vaince , Vanar , Vijayrania , Virk .

W

Wahla , Wainse , Wander , Waraich ." Editingexperience (talk) 17:55, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{Not done}} for now: Reliable and verifiable source required for such an exhaustive list; read WP:RS, WP:V, and no original research (WP:OR) please! Ekdalian (talk) 06:40, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Bhakal Sub cast Hindu Jaat

Hi Team , please Add Bhakal surname as sub cast of Hindu jaat. , Bhakal surname Hindu jaat's are living in Nagaur rajasthan mostly and according to my grandfather say's bhakal's native place is bhakrod Nagaur.

Jai Veer Teja Ji. Sampat Bhakal (talk) 20:16, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

:No original research please; read WP:OR! Please cite reliable source, per WP:RS, WP:V. Ekdalian (talk) 06:45, 14 April 2025 (UTC)