Talk:Jazz

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Change introduction too reflect historical accuracies from:

Jazz is a music genre that originated in the African-American communities of New Orleans, Louisiana, in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, with its roots in blues, ragtime, European harmony, African rhythmic rituals, spirituals, hymns, marches, vaudeville song, and dance music. Since the 1920s Jazz Age, it has been recognized as a major form of musical expression in traditional and popular music. Jazz is characterized by swing and blue notes, complex chords, call and response vocals, polyrhythms and improvisation.

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Jazz is a music genre that originated in the African-American communities of New Orleans, Louisiana, in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. From its very beginning, jazz emerged as a product of cultural fusion, drawing on the contributions of African Americans, Cubans, Haitians, Jamaicans, Puerto Ricans, and Creoles, who all played integral roles in shaping the genre. Its roots encompass blues, ragtime, European harmony, African rhythmic rituals, spirituals, hymns, marches, vaudeville songs, and dance music.

The cultural diversity of New Orleans, shaped by its role as a trade port and its multiethnic population, enriched jazz’s development. Cuban musicians contributed Afro-Cuban rhythms and the habanera, a rhythm that became foundational in early jazz. Haitian immigrants brought Vodou drumming traditions and syncopated patterns, which deeply influenced the polyrhythmic structures of the music. Puerto Ricans, many of whom were trained classical musicians, added their distinctive phrasing and rhythms to jazz ensembles. Jamaican musical traditions, rooted in African drumming and early mento rhythms, added to the genre’s complexity. The Creoles of color, a community with European classical training, blended structured harmony with African and Caribbean improvisational styles, forming a bridge between classical music and the emerging jazz sound.

Since the 1920s Jazz Age, jazz has been recognized as a major form of musical expression in both traditional and popular music. Characterized by swing, blue notes, complex chords, call-and-response vocals, polyrhythms, and improvisation, jazz reflects the dynamic collaboration of these diverse cultural influences, making it a truly global art form from its inception.

https://timeline.carnegiehall.org/stories/caribbean-and-latin-connections-in-jazz?

https://nmaahc.si.edu/explore/stories/harmonious-mixes?

https://academic.oup.com/california-scholarship-online/book/23207/chapter/238457511?

https://www.echo.ucla.edu/article-blue-horizon-creole-culture-and-early-new-orleans-jazz/? Biggsofcourse (talk) 07:08, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{u|Biggsofcourse }}, the additions that you suggest seem to pertain more to what elements contributed to the origins of jazz rather than describing jazz itself. If placed in the article lead, I feel it would work against the topic introductory overview function. perhaps you can instead look to the :Jazz#Early_development section with a view to proposing enhancements to what is already there? AllyD (talk) 13:53, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

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Jazz is a music genre that originated in the African-American communities of New Orleans, Louisiana, in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. From its very beginning, jazz emerged as a product of cultural fusion, drawing on the contributions of African Americans, Cubans, Haitians, Jamaicans, Puerto Ricans, and Creoles, who all played integral roles in shaping the genre. Its roots encompass blues, ragtime, European harmony, African rhythmic rituals, spirituals, hymns, marches, vaudeville songs, and dance music.

The cultural diversity of New Orleans, shaped by its role as a trade port and its multiethnic population, enriched jazz’s development. Cuban musicians contributed Afro-Cuban rhythms and the habanera, a rhythm that became foundational in early jazz. Haitian immigrants brought Vodou drumming traditions and syncopated patterns, which deeply influenced the polyrhythmic structures of the music. Puerto Ricans, many of whom were trained classical musicians, added their distinctive phrasing and rhythms to jazz ensembles. Jamaican musical traditions, rooted in African drumming and early mento rhythms, added to the genre’s complexity. The Creoles of color, a community with European classical training, blended structured harmony with African and Caribbean improvisational styles, forming a bridge between classical music and the emerging jazz sound.

Since the 1920s Jazz Age, jazz has been recognized as a major form of musical expression in both traditional and popular music. Characterized by swing, blue notes, complex chords, call-and-response vocals, polyrhythms, and improvisation, jazz reflects the dynamic collaboration of these diverse cultural influences, making it a truly global art form from its inception. Biggsofcourse (talk) 04:57, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{not done}}: per above. This is the same text, just jammed into one paragraph. [[User:CanonNi]] (talk • contribs) 06:08, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Looking at "Early history of Jazz", the description for The Old Plantation, it states that the painting depicts slaves dancing on a plantation in Virginia. But is there any proof that it depicts Virginia?

The closest thing related to Virginia on the page for the painting is that it is currently held in a museum in Virginia; however, the page also details that the painting originated in South Carolina and was painted by a South Carolina artist. Would changing the description to say South Carolina, or nothing at all, be more appropriate than Virginia? Of course, if there is enough proof than it should just be left as is, or just remove the location entirely. Asilojaz7 (talk) 17:25, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

this text would to expand on the theme of jazz’s cultural influence during the Civil Rights Movement, which ties in with the racial discussions already presented in that section.

During the Civil Rights Movement of the 1950s and 1960s, jazz became a form of protest and empowerment. Musicians like John Coltrane and Charles Mingus composed politically charged works such as Alabama and Fables of Faubus, which reflected the struggles of the era. These compositions conveyed the emotional intensity of the movement and became anthems of social change. Bedig2 (talk) 06:15, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

:I'd agree that the existing :Jazz#Jazz_and_race section is lacking in coverage of the impact of the civil rights movement on jazz and vice versa. Howver any addition will need sources, especially in making claims that particular recordings were "anthems of social change". AllyD (talk) 11:13, 14 February 2025 (UTC)