Talk:Johor Bahru#rfc DC5740A

I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Johor Bahru's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "census 2010":

• From Ipoh: {{cite web|title=Population Distribution by Local Authority Areas and Mukims, 2010|url=http://www.statistics.gov.my/portal/download_Population/files/population/04Jadual_PBT_negeri/PBT_Perak.pdf|publisher=Department of Statistics Malaysia}}
• From Overseas Chinese:

  {{cite book

  | last =

  | first =

  | publisher=Badan Pusat Statistik

  | title =Kewarganegaraan, Suku Bangsa, Agama dan Bahasa Sehari-hari Penduduk Indonesia Hasil Sensus Penduduk 2010

  | year =2011

  | accessdate =

  | isbn = 9789790644175

  | url = http://sp2010.bps.go.id/files/ebook/kewarganegaraan%20penduduk%20indonesia/index.html}}

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 04:10, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

{{archive top|reason=The RFC is not only horribly misplaced but also worded in an extremely biased manner.As regards to the dispute we always follow official Census data (as a WP:RS) on these issues.Light^{❯❯❯ Saber} 19:18, 26 December 2016 (UTC)}}

User:Johorean Guy has made disputable claims of Iskandar Malaysia being the 'country's second largest city and urban area' (see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Johor_Bahru&oldid=751950711), whereas the 2010 census showed otherwise as Iskandar Malaysia is actually third largest. User:Johorean Guy has also engaged in an edit war by reverting my revisions, which was based on the census statistics.

This misinformation should be ironed out. Any mediation/third party opinion is appreciated. Semi-auto (talk) 04:21, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

• Question - Does anyone have a reliable source that differs from the census? If not, the census should be used. (If there is another source, the census should be considered anyway, because it is an official reliable source.) Robert McClenon (talk) 02:24, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
• Semi-auto, This is not a proper WP:RFC because your statement is not neutral, and it attacks another editor. Please edit your post here to be completely neutral, and do not mention other editors, edit wars, or similar accusations. Also, I agree with {{noping|Robert McClenon}}: Please provide independent, neutral, reliable-source citations for your preferred version. Softlavender (talk) 05:19, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
• Statement: while this isn't propper evidence, I lived in Malaysia. From my experience, and all reliable sources, Penang (2nd largest city)http://www.statistics.gov.my/portal/download_Population/files/population/03ringkasan_kawasan_PBT_Jadual1.pdf is significantly more populous than Johor Bahru. While a discrepancy in records is possible, I find it extremely unlikely that a discrepancy allowing a shift in 300,000 people either added to Johor or taken from Penang is possible. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 05:52, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

:::{{U|Iazyges}}, I'm getting an error message when I click that PDF. Can you check it again and figure out why that might be happening? Softlavender (talk) 14:00, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

::::My best guess is I probably missed something in the link. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 15:20, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

• What Robert McClenon said — clearly the census should be followed unless reliable sourcing can be found to the contrary. And, as Softlavender mentioned, this is not what I would expect of an RFC. — OwenBlacker (Talk) 13:50, 4 December 2016 (UTC) via the feedback request service.
• Comment: There seems to be some major confusion between Iskandar Malaysia (which has a 2013 population of 1.805 million[https://web.archive.org/web/20141202130527/http://www.iskandarmalaysia.com.my/iskandar-malaysia-key-economic-statistics]) and Johor Bahru (for which I haven't yet seen a citation with any easily verifiable population statistics). Since this article is only about Johor Bahru, why are we even discussing Iskandar Malaysia? Information and discussion on that subject should be in the Iskandar Malaysia article, not this one. Softlavender (talk) 14:39, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
• Comment: Robert McClenon is spot on - the census is a more reliable source and should be made the basis of all references with regards to population. And I believe the census {{U|Iazyges}} was looking at, is this - https://web.archive.org/web/20150205090002/http://www.statistics.gov.my/portal/download_Population/files/population/03ringkasan_kawasan_PBT_Jadual1.pdf.

  Now, a distinction should be made regarding what defines a city and a metropolitan area. The latter is more commonly defined as the area surrounding a city, including the towns, suburbs and villages within the vicinity of that city. So a metropolitan area, by definition, is larger compared to that of a city.

  Also, since city status in Malaysia is always granted to a local council, it would be more appropriate to take the population within the jurisdiction of the city council, which in this case would be the Johor Bahru City Council.

  Based on the census figures, Johor Bahru proper is not within the top three largest cities in the country. Rather, Iskandar Malaysia should be the third largest metropolitan area in Malaysia by population with 1.8 million inhabitants (behind Klang Valley and Greater Penang). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vnonymous (talk • contribs) 02:51, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

• Agree with all of the above. Follow the sources, and unless and until a bunch of sources say the census was somehow massively wrong, we already have the answer. This also is not the Iskandar Malaysia article but the Johor Bahru one. And, yes, that is not how to write an RfC.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  18:19, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
• As stated above, use census (and other reliable sources if disputed); as per RfC, I can understand if this is the editor's first. Best, FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 13:57, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

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I doubt so. Assuming Iskandar Puteri is centred at an area called Kota Iskandar; its GPS coordinates are 1.424, 103.65. That would place Iskandar Puteri on a more southerly location compared to Johor Bahru (assuming the GPS coordinates for JB's city centre at Jalan Wong Ah Fook are 1.458, 103.765). Hence the southernmost city in Peninsular Malaysia should have been Iskandar Puteri. Vnonymous (talk) 02:09, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

:Wow, thanks for the explanation. I didn't even realize this true fact. We need to update this facts for the whole Malaysia-related articles. Since Nusajaya (still a town level (under Majlis Perbandaran) at that time) has been upgraded into a city (under Majlis Bandaraya) under a new name of Iskandar Puteri, thus making Iskandar Puteri as the southern most city in Peninsular Malaysia. Yes, I fully agree with his :D Chongkian (talk) 17:10, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

::Anyhow, we should also compare it to Kuching (of course both North Kuching and South Kuching (of their respective Majlis Bandaraya)) and make sure Iskandar Puteri is still more south than North Kuching and South Kuching, to fully ensure that Iskandar Puteri is the southern most city in Malaysia. You know, so that we write it more objectively from 'Malaysia'-centric point of view, not only 'Peninsular Malaysia'-centric point of view like most of the time. Chongkian (talk) 17:13, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

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