Talk:Joshua Davis (designer)

Chaos theory? Randomly generated design elements is NOT Chaos, as randomly generated computer numbers are not actually random. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.41.126.134 (talk) 14:35, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

~~ Gosh, this entry sure is a nice resume. Why does this article exist??? ~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.193.119.98 (talk) 01:40, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

My point exactly. Davis is one of thousands of award-winning Flash pioneers, etc. This article is nothing but mere self-promotion.--66.193.119.98 (talk) 17:37, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

This article needs to be deleted or heavily revamped to be more objective/fact based. As of now it is simply nothing but pure self promotion. Has anyone seriously taken the time to read the ridiculousness of the wording on this article? It violates several policies on Biographies of Living Persons, chiefly the TONE - "BLPs should be written responsibly, cautiously, and in a dispassionate tone, avoiding both understatement and overstatement. " The wiki includes pretentious quotes from Jackson Pollock. This is nothing but narcissistic self promotion. For example: "Joshua Davis’ work is never static: the painting is never the same. The compositions are beautifully software generated." This is completely unnecessary.

Also per Wikipedia's rules regarding person who are not well known "In such cases, exercise restraint and include only material relevant to the person's notability". This violates that policy on so many levels it's not even funny.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.220.41.175 (talk) 18:59, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

:I agree. — Lentower (talk) 20:07, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

:I suggested deletion, but that didn't fly. So now its being cleaned up. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) File:Face-smile.svg 20:32, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

{{Ping|MarySearles}}:

• Your personal knowledge can not be used to add information to Wikipedia. This is not allowed by {{tl|Wikipedia_policies_and_guidelines}}. You need to find reliable secondary sources.
• The citation you have provided is a primary source and can't be used to add this information to this article or elsewhere on Wikipedia, as the only source supporting this.
• It's possible that the image you cite in the vimeo video was photo-shopped, that is fake. Which is another reason you need to find reliable secondary sources.

Your editing would improve if you read through and understood {{tl|Wikipedia_policies_and_guidelines}}. You also appear to have bias and perhaps WP:COI issues in editing this article. It be best to leave improving this article to editors who do not.

Please do not put this back in the article or List of TED speakers for at least a week, until a consensus has been reached here.

{{Ping|Falcon8765|Scalhotrod|Lesser Cartographies|Green Cardamom}} as editors who participated in the AfDs for this article, could you join in on this consensus? Perhaps some of you would also like to work on improving this biography. Thanks either way — Lentower (talk) 20:33, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

:I agree that this article needs a fairly decent level of scrutiny. If for no other reason so that the subject is accurately represented, we can't allow (as much as the subject or his cohorts might like it) flowery, complimentary prose anymore than we can allow libelous or negatively misleading statements. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) File:Face-smile.svg 20:44, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

{{Clear}}

::{{Ping|Lentower}}: File:TED 2005 DVD.png

::I am trying to help you fill out the TED 2005 list of speakers - your reasoning of an image being photoshopped... from another highly creditable conference, posted on "their" vimeo page... of a speaker who shows a slide of the same TED 2005 set of DVD's that I have in my possession... is highly unlikely.

::List of TED speakers / "This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it." that image of the 2005 DVD shows 8. Organic : Pilobolus, Thom Mayne, Ross Lovegrove and Joshua Davis... you have 3 of the 4 listed in your list... considering that the actual TED 2005 archive page is missing the list of speakers... making this even harder to find additional sources.

::"My award for most bizarre presentation would go to Josh Davis. Josh is a heavily tattooed professor who leapt around the stage like a rock star explaining his computer generated art program. What he said made very little sense to me but I loved the way he said it." {{cite web|last1=MacNiven|first1=Jamis|title=TED 2005|url=http://www.buckswoodside.com/ted2005/index.html}}

::L"Joshua Davis - Award winning digital artist and founder of praystation.com. " {{cite web|last1=Gray|first1=Bruce|title=TED (Technology Entertainment Design) Conference 2005 Photographs & Highlights|url=http://www.brucegray.com/htmlfolder/html_subpages/TED.html}}

::I even tried archive.org... but the 2005 website used a plugin and the content does not display. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarySearles (talk • contribs) 21:26, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

{{Clear}}

:::{{Ping|MarySearles}} First, on talk pages, you add comments at the end, and indent them. I've done this for your entry here, as the talk page rules allow and encourage. You also sign your comments at the end with ~~~~. Please read the WP policies and guidelines on article talk pages. It's quite possible there is more you don't understand about talk pages and consensus. Learning and following the rules makes it easier on everyone.

:::Second,

:::*Please find at least one reliable secondary source before adding Joshua Davis TED-ness back in either place. Your arguments above do not speak to the lack of any.

:::*Your statement that 99U is a "highly creditable conference" appears to be a personal opinion. Not clear to me that it is, or that it rates a mention here on WP. The citations on that article don't make that point. Language not supported by reliable secondary sources like "highly creditable" is not allowed in articles, and carry little weight on talk pages. See WP:OR, WP:Weasel, etc.

:::*If you want to add to the List of TED speakers, please do so for speakers with Wikipedia biography articles for whom TED has published their talks on ted.com or You Tube, and/or where you can find at least one reliable secondary source. There are a lot of these that can be easily found, and you could add. That is, you can add to this list without adding Joshua Davis. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_TED_speakers&action=history] shows you have not added any other entries to this list of TED speakers.

:::*I suggest you wait a few days before replying further, to see what other editors have to say.

:::Thanks — Lentower (talk) 21:47, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

::::The two sources you have mentioned are neither secondary nor reliable by WP rules. Finding sources can be hard. Perhaps it's time to find reliable secondary sources that would help this article in other ways. — Lentower (talk) 21:52, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

:::::I have added {{tl|Find sources 4}} at the top of this talk page to help editors find good sources for this article. — Lentower (talk) 22:09, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

{{quotation|At the TED conference last year in Monterey, California, Davis greeted the technology, entertainment, and design bigwigs in the audience by calling them "special assholes."|Scott Kirsner|[http://archive.wired.com/wired/archive/14.03/joshdavis.html The Chaos of Joshua Davis]|Wired, March 2006}}

I'll edit the article to that effect. Lesser Cartographies (talk) 02:41, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

{{rto|MarySearles|Lentower}} I had listed the Wired article along with two other sources at the AfD discussion. Those might be useful in improving the article. Best, Lesser Cartographies (talk) 02:51, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

:Lesser Cartographies: Thank You. {{rto|MarySearles}} the sources LC mentions are listed here, if you want to see if they are useful in improving the article. — Lentower (talk) 03:05, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

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