Talk:Kathleen Battle#Another attempt at reaching consensus

The picture that accompanies the article on opera star Kathleen Battle is WRONG! That is not, I repeat, that is not Kathleen Battle! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Universaldollie (talk • contribs) 15:44, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

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• [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VCpwNXHqoQ October 9, 1999]
• :Wow! Doc talk 07:38, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

::You are welcome Doc. I myself am not going to edit the article as I have other editing interests, am in the midst of intense graduate coursework the next couple months, and then go into rehearsals for some intense music making. I hope these are of use to you and others. Best.4meter4 (talk) 12:31, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

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Which languages is Battle mastering?

I heard "Voices of Spring" performed by her from an 1980s recording.

Her voice and mastery of German is more perfect than that of many native german singers. --2A02:908:1256:1DE0:504:5BA6:29B6:BDC3 (talk) 03:37, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

:Opera singers in America generally take courses in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA) and in diction, and will do language comprehension coursework in only one of the primary languages of opera during their undergraduate studies. In other words, typically singers learn how to pronounce words perfectly through the study of IPA but may not learn the actual meaning of those words (they learn how to mimic language sounds without understanding grammar or vocabulary). They do usually take language acquisition coursework in one of the main languages of opera where they actually learn how to speak and communicate in that language. The primary languages of opera are Italian, French, and German with English, Czech, Spanish, and Russian being secondary languages of importance. Typically singers continue to study languages on their own after college, and many times singers pick up more skills and knowledge about the languages they are singing in while on the job, either through working with foreign colleagues or vocal/language coaches in rehearsal or through living and working abroad. Operas in other languages do exist but are rarely performed outside of the countries that speak those languages. Most opera programs focus almost exclusively on mastering singing in Italian, French, German, and the native language of the student. I have no idea as to what languages Ms. Battle learned and studied in detail, but it is definite that she worked at the very least on mastering the IPA and understanding the language well enough of the characters she played on stage to be a credible actress. I have no idea if her language comprehension grew beyond that to a point where she could communicate well outside of a libretto or pre-written script to the point where she could speak other languages in interviews and things of that nature.4meter4 (talk) 17:24, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your extensive answer.

I guessed that the vocal education is quite good in the US.

Another example is Th. Hampson his perfoprmance of "Winterreise" is just aweseome, for an non-German native speaker.

A negative example of a Non-German speaker trying to perfom "Lieder" is Netrebko. She tried to perfom "Morgen" by R. Strauss, and it was just a rape of that song. --2A02:908:1256:1DE0:BD66:9A68:DBC4:F3F2 (talk) 21:57, 14 January 2018 (UTC)