Talk:Kievan Rus'#Infobox

{{archive top|This discussion is going nowhere.--Ermenrich (talk) 16:20, 20 February 2025 (UTC)}}

now that the officially recognized spelling for Kyiv has reverted back to its Ukrainian spelling from the Russian one, shouldn't that also be reflected here? It's been adopted in most official spellings (at least as far as latin-based alphabets go) 2601:740:8000:2EC0:6039:17C2:72D8:D704 (talk) 17:21, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

:{{not done}} Read all the past discussion as to why. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:16, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

:This is a neologism for the purpose of political propaganda it doesnt exist before 2014. You even use the word "reverted" except thetes no historical use of this spelling in ENGLISH. In the intro section, the sourced provided dont even use it. Complete fraud.

:And actually, since Kiev has now reverted to its normal name of Kiev, this nonsense conflict is ending, and these propaganda terms arent being funded by USAID anymore, we should delete this embarrassment from memory. 216.208.194.174 (talk) 16:06, 20 February 2025 (UTC)

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Change the current map of Rus in the ‘Names’ category to the correct one. Now it’s plain wrong. The Rus did not exist only of three principalities at any moment. Novgorod and other principalities must be included with definite borders, not inaccurately handdrawn circles. Llllll11112 (talk) 23:28, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

:File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 14:54, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

:Probably this is about the map showing Rus in the narrow sense. I think it's fine to have a map illustrating it as all other maps show Rus' in the broad (and more commonly used) sense. Alaexis_¿question? 23:39, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

@Ivaylo2003bg, your edit [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kievan_Rus%27&diff=prev&oldid=1276568912] may be factually correct or not, but you should not simply change a sourced content for a new one, without replacing a source. You need to provide a source for your new addition, and to not to remove sourced content without valid reason. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 17:06, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

:I agree. I believe "Old Bulgarian" is also a sort of partisan name for Church Slavonic.--Ermenrich (talk) 22:44, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

Should we delete this part?

It is "known as Kyeivan..." only in the recent few years, due to meme-forcing it into political/historian discussion by politically biased actors in 2022+.

If was never "known as "Kyivan Rus"", and such butchering of historiographical object is pretty damn ugly! :/ 77.40.103.172 (talk) 13:18, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

:No. The variant name Kyivan Rus' appeared in English-language scholarship by the 1950s (Oreletsky's 1957 article "The Leading Feature of Ukrainian Law" in The Ukrainian Review), and it has been used by publishers such as Cambridge University Press (Plokhy's The Origins of the Slavic Nations, 2006), Routledge (Rubin & Snyder's Post-Soviet Political Order, 1998), Manchester University Press (Smoke's Perceptions of Security, 1996), and Encyclopedia Britannica (Ukraine – History, section "Kyivan (Kievan) Rus"). It is neither "recent" nor "never known". Doremo (talk) 13:37, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

::The mentioned Oreletsky was a Nazi activist and a member of Nazi OUN, and I think his works can not be held to high accountability standards of worthy literature. The aforementioned Plokhiy, Timothee Snyder and other Ukrainians sources are heavily biased and should be taken in account, just as Russian authors should not also. Let's stick to common Western, unbiased, sources. 77.40.3.181 (talk) 16:11, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

:::{should be taken in account} is a typo, I meant {should NOT be taken in account} 77.40.3.181 (talk) 16:12, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

{{not done}}. There is a very long and very strong community consensus that the WP:ALTNAME {{tq|Kyivan Rus'}} must be mentioned in the opening sentence of this article based on WP:NPOV. Community consensus on the phrase {{tq|also known as Kyivan Rus'}}, first formulated as such [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kievan_Rus%27&diff=next&oldid=1121998260 on 15 November 2022], has been established in January 2023. This was merely a confirmation of many years of small changes to the way {{tq|Kyivan Rus'}} was mentioned in the opening sentence, sometimes preceded by {{tq|or}}, {{tq|alternatively}}, {{tq|sometimes}}, or {{tq|also}} (see the Sept/Oct 2022 discussion for reference when the community agreed to change {{tq|sometimes Kyivan Rus'}} to {{tq|also Kyivan Rus'}}). Ever since January 2023, only vandalism has attempted to remove or change it, but it has always been restored. Arguments to remove {{tq|Kyivan Rus'}}, but to keep {{tq|Kievan Rus'}}, or vice versa, are WP:POV in nature, do not conform to policy, do not enjoy community consensus, and need not be considered. NLeeuw (talk) 14:36, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

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