Talk:Kristi Noem#Info box image

More coverage is required regarding the fact that despite being the governor of South Dakota, a member of the U.S. House of Representatives, and the Secretary of Homeland Security, Kristi Noem has no idea what Habeas Corpus means. This is pretty important, since it's the basis of the U.S. legal system, and someone in ANY of those jobs should know the term's meaning inside and out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.87.253.76 (talk) 12:47, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

Given the prominence of the dog and goat shooting incident on her public image, as well as false claims about meeting North Korea's leader, etc., do you think it would be advisable to move these details from "Personal Life" to a new section that can broadly encapsulate these controversies? There has already been some support to give the episode with the dog its own section. ChthonicSweetie (talk) 01:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

:We should not create a WP:CONTROVERSYSECTION. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:26, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

::Thank you, this is helpful to me as a new editor. Would "Public Image" be more admissible, as suggested in the link you included? ChthonicSweetie (talk) 01:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

:::I did not realize how new you are here. Welcome. Glad I didn't WP:BITE you. A "public image" section could work, but would have to put the focus on how she is perceived for those things. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

:The fact that this woman is pure evil should also be noted. 107.179.245.154 (talk) 13:48, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

::That would not be encyclopedic as phrased, but I have seen an article that notes people have called her evil. Would need to go into a Public Image section. IP75 (talk) 03:35, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

I just to add that a section on these issues is a good idea because she is a nominee for Director of Homeland Security, and her ability to provide complete and accurate information is important for that role. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Starlighsky (talk • contribs) 23:20, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

:Kristi Noem will be complicit in the death of women deported to Afghanistan. The Taliban is still a terrorist organization which considers women as subhuman. 216.82.44.18 (talk) 21:54, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

::It's true. Bearian (talk) 01:50, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

Kristi Noem posted a picture on her social media about her promotion to Lieutenant Colonel in the Civil Air Patrol. [https://www.tmz.com/photos/image_jpg_20240426_8ae99004479c40508a66dc1528c679ab/] She joined during her tenure in the state legislature. "State legislative member" are honorary members unless they choose to continue as a full active member.[https://group2tx.cap.gov/join/legislative#:~:text=%E2%96%BA%20State%20Legislative%20Member&text=State%20Legislative%20members%20are%20assigned,the%20honorary%20grade%20of%20major.] As she hasn't been a state legislator in over a decade, and the expiration date on her CAC reads "31 December 2024", she is an active member of the Civil Air Patrol. Additionally, "on Aug. 28, 2015, Gen. Mark A. Welsh III, Air Force chief of staff, announced CAP officially as a member of the U.S. Air Force’s Total Force, joining the regular, guard and reserve forces as American airmen." [https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/about/history-of-civil-air-patrol] This should absolutely be included on her infobox and intro, as she is an officer in the United States Armed Forces. ZebulonMorn (talk) 07:28, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

:Wikipedia needs a secondary source that mentions her membership in this organization and views her as a miliary officer with the rank of lieutenant colonel. Editors original research is not enough. Issues of "stolen valor" are highly problematic for politicians. The only source provided at the moment is an image of her membership card [https://www.tmz.com/photos/image_jpg_20240426_8ae99004479c40508a66dc1528c679ab/ https://www.tmz.com/photos/image_jpg_20240426_8ae99004479c40508a66dc1528c679ab/]. --Guest2625 (talk) 08:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

::As was widely reported, [https://apnews.com/article/kristi-noem-south-dakota-social-media-62164d4bc288befd2f0f36629ffedde7] [https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/south-dakota/articles/2024-07-08/south-dakota-gov-noems-official-social-media-accounts-seem-to-disappear-without-explanation] [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/08/kristi-noem-social-media-deleted] [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kristi-noem-quietly-deletes-two-state-affiliated-social-media-accounts-over-holiday-weekend-report] Kristi Noem deleted her social media accounts, making this information very difficult to procure. The only known public source has been provided. ZebulonMorn (talk) 08:08, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

:::Here is the original post https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrFDga8r1ZnBwIA2gtXNyoA;_ylu=Y29sbwNiZjEEcG9zAzIEdnRpZAMEc2VjA3Ny/RV=2/RE=1734943932/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fwww.facebook.com%2fgovnoem%2fposts%2fwhat-ive-been-made-a-lt-col-in-the-civil-air-patrol-boom-day-made-%25EF%25B8%258F-thank-you-to%2f938828534265777%2f/RK=2/RS=cJ6UDV2yg.B9PODprQiPSz2yG54- ZebulonMorn (talk) 08:55, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

::::I am unable to see that link. It is blocked. --Guest2625 (talk) 10:06, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

:::I just found [https://wikimili.com/en/Kristi_Noem this], but I'm not sure its WK:RS. ZebulonMorn (talk) 08:58, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

::::That's funny. You want to cite yourself? --Guest2625 (talk) 09:54, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

:CAP is the civilian auxiliary of the US Air Force, created by Congress by 10 USC 959. General Welsh did not make CAP members into commissioned military officers. He couldn’t because he cannot change federal law, but in any event, that is not what he said. He said that these civilian volunteers play an important role in the total force. You are misconstruing what he said. I was the Staff Judge Advocate at HQ CAP-USAF in the 1980’s and am very familiar with the status of CAP and its members. Kristi Noem was made a Lt. Col. in CAP, not in the Air Force. She has no commission from any US military force. 2600:1700:BA2:1980:3D0F:40B4:92B2:6D61 (talk) 13:31, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Considering Secretary Noem's history as a state governor and federal secretary, I don't think that including her membership in the Civil Air Patrol merits inclusion in the lead, let alone the first sentence. Considering that there aren't sources pointing to her membership in the CAP, I think it is misleading to include it, and refer to it as the Air Force auxiliary over its more common name of Civil Air Patrol. Additionally, as there is no mention of her CAP membership in the body of the article, my understanding of WP:LEDE makes it seem like that information shouldn't be included. I'm removing it. Balon Greyjoy (talk) 01:19, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

Go down to the 5th picture area located on right side of page in the "Abortion" section to see that Kristi Noem is incorrectly referred to as "his" and not "her"

This is a copy of the information located below her picture in the "Abortion" section of her Wikipedia page:

Noem's gubernatorial portraits during his first (left) and second (right) term

Abortion

Thank you. 2601:346:C100:8570:0:0:0:7119 (talk) 15:52, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

:Correct, I fixed it. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:56, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

::Wow! That was fast. I did not know how to change it so I appreciate your help. Thank you and have a nice day! :) 2601:346:C100:8570:0:0:0:7119 (talk) 16:34, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

:::Removed pro-Noem political rant since this is a Wikipedia talk page, not a discussion board. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.87.253.76 (talk) 15:21, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

how far is the influx of the rightwing administration that the killing of pets is not mentioned? --Bahnmoeller (talk) 12:21, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

:We’re in Rockwell RV park and they have 4 buffaloes that need to be rescued. They need to be out in the open. Their pen is nothing but mud and dirt. Yes they have hay, but I had to ask them to give them water. Please do something to get these poor animals out of this nightmare. 2600:387:B:3:0:0:0:81 (talk) 02:52, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

https://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/knbr-racist-homeland-security-ads-hosts-pissed-20244704.php

https://www.yahoo.com/news/homeland-security-secretary-el-salvador-142634884.html Kire1975 (talk) 16:51, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

{{re|Twillisjr}} This category (:Category:Prohibition in the United States) is essentially incorrect. It pertains to the particular 1920s ban on alcohol (Prohibition in the United States) and cannot be applied to articles beyond that period. PS: Prohibition also specifically relates to alcohol and the term shouldn't be confounded for other drug bans. Gotitbro (talk) 03:27, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

:@Gotitbro Ok, I suppose we need a new category for prohibition against cannabis in the United States. Twillisjr (talk) 05:01, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

::{{re|Twillisjr}} We already have some existing cats for cannabis regulation which would be more apt here, I have added those. Cheers. Gotitbro (talk) 05:17, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Was Kristi’s purse recovered after being stolen on 4/21/25? 158.51.249.13 (talk) 02:48, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

Willis Johnson has been married to Joyce Johnson since after the Vietnam War - this article says that Willis and his wife Reba funded the North Dakota National Guard to go down to the Texas/Mexico border. 158.247.189.178 (talk) 16:47, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

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Change military service to aeronautical hobby. The Civil Air Patrol is not a military organization in any way, shape, or form. 174.21.174.32 (talk) 02:15, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{not done}}: The opening sentence of the Civil Air Patrol states {{tpq|Civil Air Patrol (CAP) is a congressionally chartered, federally supported non-profit corporation that serves as the official civilian auxiliary of the United States Air Force (USAF)}}. I can't say for sure, but I don't think you get the rank of lieutenant colonel for an {{tpq|aeronautical hobby}}? Chaheel Riens (talk) 10:18, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{question}}

::The key word there is "civilian." By definition, a civilian is someone who is not military. Thank you for proving the point.

::Kristi Noem is not a member of the military, nor has she ever been. PoopsMcGee13 (talk) 15:31, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

::Civilian PoopsMcGee13 (talk) 15:34, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

:::If you feel strongly enough to reply three times, you're welcome to overrule my decision, but also consider the term Auxiliaries while you're at it. Also, not being American I don't fully understand - how can she be a lieutenant colonel if not military? That's a genuine question. Chaheel Riens (talk) 16:10, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

::::That's the point, she's not in the military and never was.

::::As far as her "rank" of lieutenant colonel, this term means nothing outside of the actual miliary, which she has never been a part of. I can create an organization today called Wikipedia Warriors for Justice and give you, Chaheel Riens, the title of Lieutenant Colonel. You would be just as much of a lieutenant colonel as her.

::::Ok, here's the full story:

::::When she was a member of the South Dakota state House of Reps, she [https://potus-geeks.livejournal.com/1750623.html joined] the South Dakota wing of the Civil Air Patrol through their program that allowed state legislatures (members of the House or Senate) to join. [https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/join/active-adult-in-cap/active-adult Alternatively, you join by attending a meeting, filling out a form, and paying a membership fee.] Again, this is not the military. This is more in line with a combination of the Boy Scouts and cosplay. PoopsMcGee13 (talk) 19:58, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::So, I'm still not clear - how has she the rank of lieutenant colonel? Chaheel Riens (talk) 21:12, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

::::::So, we've determined by it's name (Civil), by it's own website (civilian), and by any web search you'd like to do, that the Civil Air Patrol is a civilian (non-military) non-profit organization.

::::::So, considering it's a not a military organization how is Kristi Noem a lieutenant colonel?

::::::You're thinking that the "rank" of lieutenant colonel is only a military title. Outside of the military, organizations can give people whatever title they want. Perhaps it's different in other parts of the world, but in the United States, as I said earlier, if I started an organization today I could give anyone whatever title I wanted. It doesn't make them a military officer. 65.155.112.114 (talk) 15:21, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::::I'm thinking that in this context it's a military rank - because prior to this discussion there has been nothing to suggest otherwise and not being American nor particularly familiar with Kristi Noem in any way I have to judge whether the article supports the claim. The article currently seems to imply service. If it isn't, then why is the article not clear on that point? I thought Americans were pretty big on the context of stolen valor which this certainly seems to be the case - it seems odd that the secretary of Homeland Security should be doing this? And, yes - I appreciate removal is exactly what is being discussed, and as a result I'll withdraw the "answered" comment. Chaheel Riens (talk) 18:45, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

::::::::I’m not quite sure how you can still believe that the Civil Air Patrol is a military organization. [https://fl301.cap.gov/about/about/is-the-civil-air-patrol-a-military-organization They themselves claim it is not one.]

::::::::As far as stolen valor, that’s a reasonable question. The one thing you’ll notice is that Kristi Noem herself has never made this claim as far as I can tell. A few staffers in her orbit have insinuated her service and it’s obviously mentioned here. LetsBeFactual (talk) 15:41, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

I've removed the information from the infobox that implies she has served in the military. She hasn't. The Civil Air Patrol is a civilian organization, not a military one. Their ranks have as much military meaning as officers in the Salvation Army. Barring presentation of reliably sourced information that she's actually served in the military, including military service in the infobox is factually incorrect. --Hammersoft (talk) 15:58, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:I've no problem with this, but given the distinction, should there be clarification that her rank is civilian rather than military in the last sentence of the South Dakota House of Representatives (2007–2011) section, where it currently just states {{tpq|She holds the rank of lieutenant colonel}} - as has been shown, to those not familiar with American politics/military/officer ranks - people would reasonably assume that this refers to a military rank? Chaheel Riens (talk) 07:25, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

:: Sure. Sofixit :) --Hammersoft (talk) 11:55, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

:::Are you sure that's a wise suggestion, given that this entire debacle was caused by my lack of knowledge surrounding American politics/ranks and the weird apathy surrounding the normally very sensitive issue of stolen valor? Chaheel Riens (talk) 14:52, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

::::I’m not quite sure how anyone’s being apathetic. Most of us are trying to get this removed, which is quite the opposite of apathy.

::::Additionally, the entire reference to CAP (Civil Air Patrol) should likely be removed as it seems someone added it solely with the purpose of giving the Secretary some kind of weird credibility. There is no reference easily found showing her membership in the organization was anything more than ceremonial. LetsBeFactual (talk) 15:19, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::Sofixit :) Chaheel Riens (talk) 16:01, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::I cannot as it’s locked and only “established” users can edit it. I guess I am not established. LetsBeFactual (talk) 17:37, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

Kristi Noem, the homeland security secretary, bungled answers on May 20, 2025 about habeas corpus, incorrectly asserting that the legal right of people to challenge their detention by the government was actually the president’s “constitutional right” to deport people. 66.91.227.135 (talk) 07:32, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

In late January, Kristi Noem reportedly walked into the Canadian side of the library and repeated a favourite taunt of U.S. President Donald Trump. “U.S.A. No. 1,” she said on the American side, before stepping into Canada and referring to the country as “the 51st state.”

Read more at: https://www.montrealgazette.com/news/provincial-news/article830189.html#storylink=cpy 24.53.33.158 (talk) 22:48, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

Given that it's literally one of the first things said about her in this article, this is incredibly misleading and may even amount to stolen valor. She was never in the military, never went through any form of basic training or any sort of commissioning program. The Civil Air Patrol is not a part of the Department of Defense, and an honorary membership in it does not constitute service in the United States Military. There are tons of veterans online who will eat her alive if they find out that a member of her staff is editing her Wikipedia page to try to portray her as a veteran. This needs to be changed immediately. 185.14.144.65 (talk) 23:22, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

:Source? RobertX7 (talk) 00:28, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

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Remove details from Kristi Noem personal life section about ridiculous disparaging information regarding a supposed trend for conservative women around the mara lago face. The only citation is a biased news source, NYT. MikeC4321 (talk) 05:24, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:File:X mark.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Tlx|Edit semi-protected}} template. meamemg (talk) 14:35, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

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Biographical neutrality is compromised by disproportionate attention to controversies, with minimal treatment of professional or policy achievements. 71.121.152.111 (talk) 01:06, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

:File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:24, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

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It is blatantly sexist to include in a supposedly reputable online research tool statements like she has "mara lago face" and then use as a source a sensationalist rag like the Guardian who's only source for this concept is an unnamed Florida plastic surgeon. What does her having dental work done have anything to do with her personal history? This sort of hateful and biased trash is why Wikipedia will never be seen as a reliable or respected source of information in the academic world. 2600:1700:B2D0:3560:BE56:105C:FA78:3239 (talk) 22:50, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 23:09, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

::Remove this sexist and entirely Hollywood gossip column style of reference to her personal life.

::"Noem has since become one of the most prominent examples of so-called "Mar-a-Lago face", a cosmetic surgery trend among conservative women.[306][307]"

::How many statements like that do you include about Hilary and Bill Clintons' obvious and extensive cosmetic surgery? Let me go look...

::What on Earth does this have to do with providing a historically useful overview of the personal life of a politician? Will you next list the number of Congressmen with toupees? How about you compare the two parties on that very important and historically vital aspect of their personal lives? Wikipedia, if you ever want to be taken seriously by those of us who are moderates, you will treat politicians on both sides of the aisle the same way. When we read about their personal lives, we want useful information from reputable sources--not gossip filled, trash publications that belong in the grocery store check out line. 2600:1700:B2D0:3560:BE56:105C:FA78:3239 (talk) 00:41, 21 June 2025 (UTC)