Talk:Ku Klux Klan#Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2020

{{Hat|WP:DFTT EvergreenFir (talk) 05:53, 6 April 2025 (UTC)}}

“Far right hate group” started by the democrats but who cares about the truth huh? 199.16.217.181 (talk) 05:28, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

:And you have a reliable source for this claim...? - Shearonink (talk) 05:48, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

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The page should not credit the KKK with be politically far right. It's origins were southern democrats trying to rid themselves of blacks, AND republicans. 2603:7081:5500:EE6:8491:70B5:2131:B8B0 (talk) 17:50, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{Not done}}: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. meamemg (talk) 18:44, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

::doh 2601:281:8400:7720:74:F744:34A4:A397 (talk) 02:39, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

My sources from Washington DC and The Capitol articles, The History Channel, and other sources:

https://depts.washington.edu/civilr/kkk_politicians.htm

https://assets.ctfassets.net/qnesrjodfi80/6bQdKPLDjyo2s0I8c60gA2/aec7a4feb53cdd469d9c59bc3dd5cc64/swain-the_inconvenient_truth_about_the_democratic_party-transcript.pdf

https://www.visitthecapitol.gov/artifact/butcher-forrest-detail-leaders-democratic-party-wood-engraving-thomas-nast-1868

"rom 1868 through the early 1870s the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) functioned as a loosely organized group of political and social terrorists. The Klan’s goals included the political defeat of the Republican Party and the maintenance of absolute white supremacy in response to newly gained civil and political rights by southern Blacks after the Civil War (1861-65)."

https://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/history-archaeology/ku-klux-klan-in-the-reconstruction-era/

"The Democratic Party was formed in 1792, when supporters of Thomas Jefferson began using the name Republicans, or Jeffersonian Republicans, to emphasize its anti-aristocratic policies. It adopted its present name during the Presidency of Andrew Jackson in the 1830s. In the 1840s and '50s, the party was in conflict over extending slavery to the Western territories. Southern Democrats insisted on protecting slavery in all the territories while many Northern Democrats resisted. The party split over the slavery issue in 1860 at its Presidential convention in Charleston, South Carolina."

https://www.thirteen.org/wnet/jimcrow/stories_org_democratic.html

"Founded in 1865, the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) extended into almost every southern state by 1870 and became a vehicle for white southern resistance to the Republican Party’s Reconstruction-era policies aimed at establishing political and economic equality for Black Americans. Its members waged an underground campaign of intimidation and violence directed at white and Black Republican leaders. Though Congress passed legislation designed to curb Klan terrorism, the organization saw its primary goal—the reestablishment of white supremacy—fulfilled through Democratic victories in state legislatures across the South in the 1870s.

After a period of decline, white Protestant nativist groups revived the Klan in the early 20th century, burning crosses and staging rallies, parades and marches denouncing immigrants, Catholics, Jews, African Americans and organized labor."

https://www.history.com/articles/ku-klux-klan DGloe (talk) 05:34, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:I think you're confusing the parties of today with their platforms a century ago. There was a major shift in Southern Whites from the Democrats to the Republicans (via the Dixiecrats) in response to the Democrats newfound opposition to segregation in the 1960s. See also Southern Strategy EvergreenFir (talk) 05:42, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:Does anyone say it was founded by the far right? That term didn't really apply back then anyway, but it sure does now. Drmies (talk) 21:22, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

::Okay sir, just because the term wasn't used in their vernacular at the time, doesn't mean the founder can't be listed under the term, thats like saying a killer from the 13tb century can't be a killer because the term wasn't used yet. 75.248.212.252 (talk) 21:12, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

:::Mistakes I made: 13th not 13tb and not "cant be a killer" but rather "cant be labeled a killer" 75.248.212.252 (talk) 21:14, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

:::OK, what are you even talking about? I didn't say it wasn't "used in their vernacular", I said the term didn't apply. And who is "the founder" if it was founded by six guys? Do you mean Nathan Bedford Forrest? None of these people are listed anywhere as "far right", as far as I know. The word "killer" goes back to 1535 but that's completely irrelevant anyway. Beowulf uses "ymbsittendra" for "people in a social context"--so what? We can talk about the social context in Beowulf even if they didn't use those words. Now let's move along. Drmies (talk) 00:06, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

::In the original Wikipedia article it states, "The Ku Klux Klan (/ˌkuː klʌks ˈklæn, ˌkjuː-/), commonly shortened to KKK or Klan, is an American Protestant-led Christian extremist, white supremacist, far-right hate group." DGloe (talk) 01:33, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

:::When you are arguing the definition of a topic, you must look outside of Wikipedia. The [https://books.google.com/books?id=xnfDEAAAQBAJ Encyclopedia of Right-Wing Extremism in Modern American History] describes the KKK as the most prominent example of white supremacism of the American far-right. The book [https://books.google.com/books?id=1T5AEAAAQBAJ Years of Rage] describes white supremacy as far-right, and says the KKK is definitively far-right. [https://www.splcenter.org/resources/hatewatch/no-ku-klux-klan-has-never-ever-been-leftist-organization/ Here's a very modern take, examining Trump's false depiction.] Binksternet (talk) 04:30, 9 May 2025 (UTC)