Talk:Kurdish separatism in Iran

The lede of this article currently states that Kurdish separatism in Iran supposedly commenced in 1918, i.e. with Simko's mutiny. However, the body of the article debunks this narrative on every level, per to the given WP:RS. It seems that the narrative about Simko's mutiny, which included "elements of Kurdish nationalism" (i.e. per Kreyenbroek & Sperl), has been misconstrued into being a clear-cut case of "Kurdish separatism", and has additionally been misused in order to draw a continuous line of events all the way into 2020/2021. Interestingly, any mention about Simko's main objective, namely robbery/pillaging, is not mentioned in the lede. For the record (copied from the body of this article):

{{blockquote|Scholars view the revolt as an attempt by a powerful tribal chief to establish his personal authority vis-à-vis the central government throughout Iranian Kurdistan.{{cite book|last1=Kreyenbroek|first1=Philip G.|last2=Sperl|first2=Stefan|title=The Kurds: A Contemporary Overview|publisher=Routledge|location=London; New York|pages=[https://archive.org/details/kurds00pkre/page/138 138–141]|year=1992|isbn=978-0-415-07265-6|oclc=24247652|url=https://archive.org/details/kurds00pkre/page/138}} While elements of Kurdish nationalism were present in this movement, historians agree these were hardly articulate enough to justify a claim that recognition of Kurdish identity was a major issue in Simko's movement, and he had to rely heavily on conventional tribal motives. It lacked any kind of administrative organization and Simko was primarily interested in plunder. Government forces and non-Kurds were not the only ones to suffer in the attacks, as the Kurdish population was also robbed and assaulted. Simko's men don't appear to have felt any sense of unity or solidarity with fellow Kurds. Historian Ervand Abrahamian describes Simko as "notorious" for massacring thousands of Assyrians and "harassing" democrats,{{cite book|last=Abrahamian|first=Ervand|author-link=Ervand Abrahamian|title=Iran Between Two Revolutions|year=1982|publisher=Princeton University Press|location=Princeton, New Jersey|page=115|isbn=978-0-691-05342-4|oclc=7975938}} and Mehrdad Izady holds him responsible for killing Alevite Kurds.{{cite book|last=Izady|first=Mehrdad|title=The Kurds: A Concise Handbook|url=https://archive.org/details/kurdsconcisehan00izad|url-access=registration|publisher=Crane Russak|location=Washington|year=1992|page=[https://archive.org/details/kurdsconcisehan00izad/page/58 58]|isbn=978-0-8448-1729-3|oclc=25409394}}}}

Additionally, in the words of Kurdologist and Iranologist Garnik Asatrian:{{cite journal |last1=Asatrian |first1=Garnik |author1-link=Garnik Asatrian |title=Prolegomena to the Study of the Kurds |journal=Iran and the Caucasus |date=2009 |volume=13 |issue=1 |pages=65-66 |doi=10.1163/160984909X12476379007846}} {{blockquote|In the recent period of Kurdish history, a crucial point is defining the nature of the rebellions from the end of the 19th and up to the 20th century―from Sheikh Ubaydullah’s revolt to Simko’s (Simitko) mutiny. The overall labelling of these events as manifestations of the Kurdish national-liberation struggle against Turkish or Iranian suppressors is an essential element of the Kurdish identity-makers’ ideology. (...) With the Kurdish conglomeration, as I said above, far from being a homogeneous entity―either ethnically, culturally, or linguistically (see above, fn. 5; also fn. 14 below)―the basic component of the national doctrine of the Kurdish identity-makers has always remained the idea of the unified image of one nation, endowed respectively with one language and one culture. The chimerical idea of this imagined unity has become further the fundament of Kurdish identity-making, resulting in the creation of fantastic ethnic and cultural prehistory, perversion of historical facts, falsification of linguistic data, etc. (for recent Western views on Kurdish identity, see Atabaki/Dorleijn 1990).}}

- LouisAragon (talk) 21:52, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

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only showing PJAK sources on casualties Friedturtle (talk) 11:25, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

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I wan't to add Iran's claims on th3 casualties since it feels quite biased to only see what the kurds claim. Friedturtle (talk) 11:29, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

:I meant the not th3 lol sorry Friedturtle (talk) 11:30, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. PianoDan (talk) 15:39, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

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I would like to request because as you can see he spelt unknown wrong and there was 23,000 Persian casualties so I would like to request to edit it back to 23,000 casualties. Thank You. Jalal slemani121 (talk) 22:24, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{already done}} The recent edit that removed the casualty figure for Iran has already been reverted. Day Creature (talk) 17:47, 21 April 2025 (UTC)