Talk:List of popes#Request for comment on lead style

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You need to remove Peter as the first pope. Firstly he is never referred to as a pope in scripture. He is referred to as an apostle. Second is that Peter was an apostle to the Hebrews. It would be IMPOSSIBLE for him to have been the first pope. Paul was the apostle to the gentiles not Peter. This is extremely disgusting anyone would ever believe Peter would have had anything to do with founding a fake church that follows the doctrines of the devil. If it isn't in the Bible, then don't listen to it people. 98.176.122.167 (talk) 05:37, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

:File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Pinchme123 (talk) 05:47, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

::Yes, Peter could not have been the first Pope due to the FACT that she Catholic Church was not founded until it split from the Orthdox Church in 1054. Therefore any Pope before 1054 was either part of the Orthdox church or wasn't really a Pope. 75.111.230.188 (talk) 20:03, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

:::Sources from 110 AD talk about the Catholic Church. --86.31.178.164 (talk) 18:56, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

The table refers to Pope Francis as "Francis I". It is wrong. He used a nom-composed regnal name, just Francis, and was the first to do so since Pope Lando. His article itself states so. Someone can correct the table? Thanks 2804:D41:F852:3E00:307E:DAC7:D0AF:A240 (talk) 17:48, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

One logically requires the other... 86.31.178.164 (talk) 18:54, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

:Neither logically requires the other. The first pope from South America need not have been the first from the Americas. And the first pope from the Americas need not have been from South America at all. --Zundark (talk) 12:54, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

A few of the capitalized Latin papal names in the table have a U instead of a V (e.g., Stephen II is listed as STEPHANUS). Is there a good reason for this, or should they all be changed to V? --Zundark (talk) 12:54, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

Add him as hes the new pope Herreritapedia (talk) 17:24, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:Habemus Papam TheBigGuyBillyBob (talk) 19:05, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

The table also inverts the number incorrectly; it's Decimus Quartus, not Quartus Decimus. (This is true for most of the entries, btw.) 81.164.105.164 (talk) 17:07, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

:If you are well versed in Latin and know that switching it is correct, then switch them all. As I understand it, Latin is one of thos languages where it could go either way, so I would use whatever the Vatican uses on the website or in official papers. Jdavi333 (talk) 17:39, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

::I based it on what the cardinal on the balcony said when he announced him (which was "Leonem Decimum Quartum", but that's in the accusative form, so the proper noun should be "Leo Decimus Quartus").

::I think I recall enough Latin to remember that they don't invert their numbers like (eg) German does, so the tens should preceed the singular digits.

::Will edit accordingly, but I wanted to make sure nobody had any issues with it as I rarely edit on wikipedia and am not interested in getting into a prolonged argument about stuff (which can happen here). 81.164.105.164 (talk) 19:13, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

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donald trump is not the pope 2600:1700:4390:9330:DC8E:B897:950A:EC09 (talk) 02:42, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

:Ikr 2001:8003:B02D:1700:1DF9:2014:5F23:1E16 (talk) 11:09, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

I removed the statement that the current pope is the first with dual citizenship. There is no source to back up this statement, and the only sources I could find were unreliable ones that appeared to just be copying this Wikipedia article. Even excluding the fact that popes get Vatican citizenship, scrolling up the page a bit it appears that Leo XIII had both French and Italian citizenship. --Ahecht (TALK
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I have also been wondering the case of Leo XIII. If Carpineto Romano was under French rule when he was born, he probably got the French nationality automatically.--37.136.80.131 (talk) 14:37, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

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The nationality description for Pius IX is that he was "subject and later the last sovereign of the Papal States, finally becoming an Italian citizen." But did he actually become an Italian citizen? I'm sure that as someone born in what later become the Kingdom of Italy he was eligible to become an Italian citizen, but obviously after declaring himself Prisoner in the Vatican, he would have no interest in taking up that status. I guess this is sort of a philosophical question, but did Italy formally and specifically make him an Italian citizen in some way, or can we say that he held that citizenship even if he never exercised it? --Jfruh (talk) 20:04, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

I am no expert, but this needs to be resolved. The chart below lists several, but none are "Order of St. Augustine." Which one is it? Jdavi333 (talk) 14:29, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:Yes, he is. I have already modified the table of Religious life as well. Leo XIV is the first Augustinian friar. The others are Canon Regulars of diverse orders. Canon Regulars are considered a different type of Religious order, unlike the Augustinians who are Mendicant Friars. The confusion comes from Canon Regulars using the Rule of St. Augustine. This said, so do Dominicans. Are you we going to place Dominicas as Augustinians because they use the Rule? Obviously no, just like the table distinguishes between Benedictines and Cistercians, yet Cistercians also use the Rule of St. Benedict. --Coquidragon (talk) 15:14, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

::Canon Regulars: Honorius II & Innocent II (Canons Regular of the Lateran), Lucius II (Canons of the Basilica di San Frediano), Adrian IV (Canons Regular of Saint-Ruf), Eugene IV (Canons Regular of San Giorgio in Alga), Gregory VIII (Canons Regular of Prémontré-Premonstratensians)

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