Talk:List of terrorist incidents in September 2017#Gianluigi02

There have been entries recently which failed verification This is a perennial issue on these pages. This time, the info ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_September_2017&type=revision&diff=800478509&oldid=800473926]) added by {{U|Koranion}} is sourced but the sources themselves do not support their inclusion.

• A Baghdad bombing ([http://www.iraqinews.com/iraq-war/one-killed-4-wounded-bomb-blast-west-baghdad/ source]), but the source doesn't ascribe the attack to ISIL and it does not describe it as terrorism.
• Another Baghdad bombing ([http://www.iraqinews.com/iraq-war/one-killed-4-wounded-bomb-blast-west-baghdad/ source]), but again the source does not ascribe the attack to ISIL and it does not describe it as terrorism.

Hoping someone can chime in on this. EvergreenFir (talk) 20:58, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

:Given the lack of response and the lack of verification with other sources, I've removed these entries. EvergreenFir (talk) 20:01, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Pinging {{U|Doug Weller}} (who's familiar with issues on these pages) and {{U|Drmies}} (who won't hesitate to tell me I'm full of crap)... Am I mistaken or otherwise in the wrong here? I want to check with others that I'm interpreting things correctly when removing stuff like [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_September_2017&diff=prev&oldid=800822252 here] EvergreenFir (talk) 22:12, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

:{{re|EvergreenFir}} I agree. Not all bombings in Iraq are terrorist. And I'm not sure about the Hebron one - I don't think that all attacks by individual Palestinians are terrorist, and certainly not based on a headline. Doug Weller talk 18:07, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

::{{re|Doug Weller}} yet {{U|83.46.28.237}} keeps readding stuff despite warnings and despite sources literally saying it's not terrorism in some cases. EvergreenFir (talk) 18:50, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

:::{{re|EvergreenFir}} Semi-protected it. Doug Weller talk 11:05, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Why did you protect this page? SerM12345 (talk) 15:38, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

{{Anchor|Gianluigi02}}I removed ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_September_2017&diff=802824044&oldid=802821162]) an entries because I could not verify it. The two sources given ([http://www.elcolombiano.com/colombia/nuevo-ataque-contra-la-policia-se-registro-en-el-departamento-de-cordoba-BY7346298], [http://www.rcnradio.com/locales/dos-policias-muertos-tras-ataque-contra-patrulla-en-cordoba/]) do not mention the ELN. EvergreenFir (talk) 18:19, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

More items removed:

• [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_September_2017&diff=802956567&oldid=802956144 Burkina Faso] - [http://www.rfi.fr/afrique/20170923-burkina-faso-mentao-djibo-refugies-maliens-simon-compaore Source] doesn't mention terrorism or Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb. Also the link mentions nothing about [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_September_2017&diff=802957172&oldid=802957052 this entry] so I removed it too.
• [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_September_2017&diff=802957589&oldid=802957498 Sinai, Egypt] - Not a reliable source
• [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_September_2017&diff=802957942&oldid=802957608 Burkina Faso] - Same as above. No mention of Al-Qaeda or terrorism.
• [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_September_2017&diff=802958547&oldid=802957998 Baghdad] - ISIL mentioned generally, but not ascribed to these attacks in [http://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/story/17469/String-of-attacks-hit-Baghdad-19-people-killed-injured source].
• [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_September_2017&diff=802958711&oldid=802958547 Philippines] - [http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/933703/4-wounded-in-twin-maguindanao-blast-attacks/amp Source] says it's being investigated. No suspects.
• [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_September_2017&diff=802959263&oldid=802958711 Homs, Syria] - [http://www.europe1.fr/international/syrie-58-combattants-du-regime-tues-dans-des-attaques-de-lei-3449855.amp Source] Doesn't mention ISIL.
• [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_September_2017&diff=802959439&oldid=802959263 Kabul] - [https://scroll.in/latest/852357/afghanistan-one-dead-six-injured-in-suicide-bomb-attack-near-mosque-in-kabul Source] literally says no one has claimed it.
• [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_September_2017&diff=802959698&oldid=802959684 Pakistan] - Not described as terrorism by [http://dunyanews.tv/en/Pakistan/407559-Blast-in-Shinwari-Town-near-Peshawar-Ring-Road source]

I will be slowly updating this last as there was a large list of entries added EvergreenFir (talk) 15:20, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

:{{Re|Gianluigi02}} Most of these are your entries. Please do not add things to the list that are unverified in the source. EvergreenFir (talk) 15:43, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

I believe that MOS:FLAG and WP:FLAGPLACEHOLDER describe why flags should not be used in the list table in this article and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_September_2017&type=revision&diff=801280814&oldid=801280548 I removed them] for that reason. My edit [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_September_2017&type=revision&diff=801285356&oldid=801284975 was reverted] by {{u|LLCoolpp}} because I hadn't removed the flags from all similar lists. I don't believe that the fact that the flags have not yet been removed from other similar lists is not a valid reason to keep them in this one, so I propose that we remove them. -- DeFacto (talk). 20:10, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

:{{tick}} As this proposal was unopposed in more than a week, I have implemented it. -- DeFacto (talk). 06:35, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

:Why do you thing that removing the flags is a good idea? It doesn't improve the quality or readability of the article so I'm curious as to why you think the flags should be removed.StrikeDog (talk) 07:11, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

::{{ping|StrikeDog}} if you read the guidelines I linked to I hope my reason will be obvious. If, after reading those, you think there is a policy or guideline compliant reason for keeping the flags, please describe it here so we can discuss it. -- DeFacto (talk). 15:29, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

:::As per MOS:FLAG, "Flag icons may be relevant in some subject areas, where the subject actually represents that country or nationality...". A terrorist attack that occurs in a country certainly represents that country. WP:FLAGPLACEHOLDER does not apply in this instance because the flag isn't acting as a placeholder for anything, rather it provides a visual aide for determining the countries with recurring terror attacks. If you are not satisfied with this, we can have an admin make the final decision but I would prefer for more editors to voice their opinions before proceeding.StrikeDog (talk) 03:20, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

::::{{ping|StrikeDog}} you are right that WP:FLAGPLACEHOLDER doesn't apply, but in what way do you think any of the places listed in the location column represent their countries and are therefore compliant per MOS:FLAG? And no, an admin can't make this decision for us, it is down to editor consensus here. If we can't reach a consensus, then we will have to use Wikipedia:Dispute resolution and possibly get the wider Wikipedia community involved. -- DeFacto (talk). 18:13, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

:::::{{ping|DeFacto}}let's get more editors involved in the discussion.StrikeDog (talk) 03:30, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

::::::{{ping|StrikeDog}} I've started a section to discuss this from the MOS:FLAG point of view at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons#Flags in location columns of terrorism list articles. -- DeFacto (talk). 18:54, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

:::::::Per that discussion, removing the flags would be appropriate. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:17, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

:I've removed them again per the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons#Flags in location columns of terrorism list articles. -- DeFacto (talk). 18:55, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Based on this discussion, I am going to revise the accidents related to War in Donbass and only keep here those which are defined as terrorist attacks by independent neutral sources.--Ymblanter (talk) 09:04, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

File:Farm-Fresh eye.png You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:List of terrorist incidents#RfC: List criteria. – Levivich 18:02, 10 August 2019 (UTC)