Talk:Lyndon LaRouche#Moving right along -- questions for SlimVirgin

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LaRouche lived all his adult life in New York (1953–1983) or Virginia (1983–present), which means the two major newspapers of record are The New York Times and The Washington Post. Both have written extensively about him, including several extended investigative and analysis pieces from the 1970s to the 2000s. These articles provide the structure of much of this article—in that we highlight what they highlight. For their archives on LaRouche see below. For the books we use see here.

• [http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?frow=0&n=10&srcht=a&query=LaRouche&srchst=p&submit.x=22&submit.y=7&submit=sub&hdlquery=&bylquery=&daterange=period&mon1=01&day1=01&year1=1981&mon2=02&day2=15&year2=2011 The New York Times], before 1981.
• [http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?frow=0&n=10&srcht=a&query=LaRouche&srchst=nyt&submit.x=17&submit.y=8&submit=sub&hdlquery=&bylquery=&daterange=period&mon1=01&day1=01&year1=1981&mon2=02&day2=15&year2=2011 The New York Times], 1981–present.
• [http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/washingtonpost_historical/results.html?st=basic&uid=&MAC=50a23aa1f3f5c6104e90e36051420d61&QryTxt=LaRouche&x=10&y=8&sortby=RELEVANCE&restrict=articles The Washington Post], before 1987.
• [http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?frow=0&n=10&srcht=a&query=LaRouche&srchst=p&submit.x=22&submit.y=7&submit=sub&hdlquery=&bylquery=&daterange=period&mon1=01&day1=01&year1=1981&mon2=02&day2=15&year2=2011 The Washington Post], 1987–present.
• Mintz, John. [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/cult/larouche/main.htm "The Cult Controversy"], The Washington Post, includes a series on LaRouche

He's been dead since last year. So why is there still the tag about his being a living person? Are the cultists responsible for keeping that lock there?Dogru144 (talk) 02:57, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

:Even though I am one of the leading published critics of the LaRouche groups,I am uncomfortable with using the term "cultists" to refer to other Wikipedia editors. Can we simply refer to them as "pro-LaRouche editors?" Chip.berlet (talk) 12:19, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

::No personal attacks, good conduct is most important in Wikipedia.

::I see no editorial dispute. Anyone can make edits to Wikipedia. Everything I see labels him as deceased. What is the issue? Blue Rasberry (talk) 12:29, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

:::Fair enough. I am alright with Berlet's suggestion.Dogru144 (talk) 18:31, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

::::Blue Raspberry, the point is: when you put the cursor over the lock symbol it says the article is protected for living persons. As you said, he does not appear to be living, so should we not remove that lock?Dogru144 (talk) 18:34, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

:::::{{ping|Dogru144}} Sorry, I missed your message a year ago.

:::::{{ping|Lectonar}} You applied semi-protection in 2016. The tooltip on the lock does say that it is in place as a biography of a living person. LaRouche has been in heaven since February 2019, so no longer living. Per the request here, could we try without semi-protection until and unless problems arise? Blue Rasberry (talk) 00:38, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

::::I plain missed that he died. Anyway, this article's subject was a big topic in Wikipedia once, with big problems. Which makes me not very comfortable with complete unprotection. So I will meet you in the middle: I will put it on pending-changes protection, so that everyone can edit it, but there will be a little stopper for vandalism trying to trickle in. The frequency of edits as it is now will not put too much of a strain on pending-changes reviewers. Note: any admin who wants to unprotect completely: go right ahead, no need to ask me. Cheers and happy editing. Lectonar (talk) 06:27, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

:::::{{ping|Lectonar}} Great response, thanks! Blue Rasberry (talk) 20:26, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

It's locked so the perjorative and non-objective tone STAYS. Stop complaining. He was nuts. Right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.211.14.248 (talk) 23:36, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

:Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 20:08, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

This page currently says "At least ten appeals were heard by the United States Court of Appeals, and three were heard by the U.S. Supreme Court", and the page LaRouche criminal trials vaguely implies similar things. However, I am having a devil of a time actually finding any LaRouche-based SCOTUS cases or decisions (with the exception of United States v. Kokinda, which is tangential). I am hoping someone can point me to those cases, and we should cite/link to them on this page or the criminal trials page. However, I suspect that none exist, and what this wikipedia article may be trying to say is that appeals were made to the Supreme Court, which denied them; if that's so, then none of the cases were ever heard by the Supreme Court. That would explain why I can find, eg, https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/osg/briefs/1989/01/01/sg890463.txt, but no follow up. Dingolover6969 (talk) 12:37, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

:I haven't been able to find any either. I guess the description on the other page LaRouche criminal trials, "three were appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court," is the more accurate one. 23impartial (talk) 15:16, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

For a few decades, this article has suffered under the Wikipedia:Ownership of content by Wikipedia's dominant neocon oligarchy, which defines any published source that deviates from neocon orthodoxy as unreliable (meaning most of the world's press.) Also, there is a big preference for citations from the 1980s, which was the heyday of libel against LaRouche; more recent source material is generally reverted on sight. Just for the record, there is a perfectly appropriate article that just appeared in the New Eastern Outlook which asserts that "Labels have been incessantly thrown at his name as part of the nonstop smear campaigns launched against him."{{Cite web |last=Мансур |first=Тамер |date=2025-04-16 |title=The LaRouche Outlook: On the Bankruptcy of Western Economic Models Р. 2 |url=https://journal-neo.su/2025/04/16/the-larouche-outlook-on-the-bankruptcy-of-western-economic-models-r-1/ |access-date=2025-04-25 |website=New Eastern Outlook |language=en-US}} The article contains other relevant info that will never be tolerated here, so long as Wikipedia continues its role as a Wikipedia:SOAPBOX for Neoconservatism. 2600:6C50:5BF0:5E50:29E6:80A4:38B3:1B50 (talk) 03:10, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

:"Perfectly appropriate article that just appeared in the New Eastern Outlook" Per its main article, that is a "disinformation and propaganda" publication associated with the Russian Academy of Sciences. Its worse than the Daily Mail as a source of information. Dimadick (talk) 12:03, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

::God's balls, man, NPOV should be essential to Wikipedia - you can't default to accepting your own government's propaganda over that of any other government. But - of course - Wikipedia, with its initial and pervasive Western slant, ever becomes but more of a propaganda source. You, as we can clearly see by your deference to US propaganda, would've gladly cited the Protocols of the Elders of Zion back in '30s Germany, in total synergy with the prevailing party line. Depressing credulity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.199.181.254 (talk) 16:20, 21 May 2025 (UTC)