Talk:Malik Zulu Shabazz#rfc 2B6CF10

[http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/malik_zulu_shabazz http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/malik_zulu_shabazz] is not working, there is also nothing at the internet archive [http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/malik_zulu_shabazz http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/malik_zulu_shabazz] Off2riorob (talk) 18:04, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Three citation to this [http://www.adl.org http://www.adl.org] Jewish defense activist site and a few to the newyorkdaily, excessive linkage to POV locations will create a POV article. [http://toolserver.org/~dispenser/cgi-bin/webchecklinks.py?page=Malik_Zulu_Shabazz http://toolserver.org/~dispenser/cgi-bin/webchecklinks.py?page=Malik_Zulu_Shabazz] Off2riorob (talk) 18:12, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

:1) As I wrote in my edit summary, the ADL site seems to be down today. Every page there returns a 500 error.

:2) The Anti-Defamation League is not a "Jewish defense activist site". It is a century-old civil rights organization, and it is considered a WP:RS with respect to racism and antisemitism, so long as its views are attributed to it.

:3) The New York Daily News is New York's highest circulation newspaper and the fifth-highest circulated paper in the U.S. It is not a POV site.

:4) If you read the instructions to {{tl|dead link}}, you will see that its proper placement is in the footnote, not in the text of the article. In other words, where I moved it, not where you put it.

:5) Shabazz is a racist and antisemite, and it isn't POV to say so—as long as it is attributed to a WP:RS—no more than it is POV to say that David Duke is a racist or that Hitler was an antisemite. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 18:56, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

::U r funny, respect civil rights org? Respected by who and according to who? All enemies of Israel get painted antisemitism, and I have 100s of RS to say so. So please clarify who considered it respectable? Maybe according to AIPAC. (which is also a R.S)--Inayity (talk) 00:58, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

I've added a second SPLC ref from 2012 in addition 2003 SPLC ref already there and have somehow messed up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vttor (talk • contribs) 22:28, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

{{bulb}}An RfC: Which descriptor, if any, can be added in front of Southern Poverty Law Center when referenced in other articles? has been posted at the Southern Poverty Law Center talk page. Your participation is welcomed. – MrX 16:58, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

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:Image: Malik wiki pic 2.jpg

Malik Zulu Shabazz wants a picture change.

Marsha323walton (talk) 00:18, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

:File:Pictogram voting comment.svg Note: You have uploaded the image to Commons as your "own work". Just cropping an existing image and reuploading it does not make it your own work. We need to attribute copyright correctly. You've also lost a lot of detail in the process of cropping, and it could be done much better.

:If you can sort out the permission/copyright query below, I'll recrop the original image for you and reupload it, otherwise I'm afraid I can't do much with it. Begoon ^talk 01:41, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

::File:Pictogram voting question.svg Question: Actually, now I look closer, can you explain where you obtained the existing image - :File:Malik Zulu Shabazz323.jpeg? It's a Getty image, and the description says: Permission:email, and claims the file is public domain - I'd like to understand the provenance before I do any work on that file. Thanks. Begoon ^talk 01:50, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

NPOV and BLP, are somethings we adhere to on Wikipedia above our personal political agendas. There are so many ref from a dubious org called ADL. Which has it's own long list of detractors to be trusted as a RS on a living persons bio. [http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/10/15/anti-defamation-league-list-tars-human-rights-groups.html ref] The ADL agenda is certainly not NPOV by any standards of NPOV. Okay but I am not even going to knock that too much, BUT when you have 60% of the ref coming from this org then you have to wonder about balance. Now the article is about Shabazz yet we have yet another opinion by ADL on how racist his org is. What does that have to do with him? So why is it there? Why is the opinion of the ADL and its smear campaign so notable on this living bio page? Maybe Shabazz should have invested in a marketing campaign to clean up his name, none the less, we are quality editors are first loyal to wikipedia Rules. No exceptions, even if you discussing Hitler. And shame on admins for accepting this.--Inayity (talk) 00:44, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

If someone is worried about nonsense, then there should not have a Public attention section. It does not conform to any format for BLP. I have not seen it in anyone else's bio. Why is it not merged? You see this is why we have NPOV tags, because there are all kinds of way of pushing a POV. One of them is to use his detractors as primary refs.Its actually a shame there is not better sources but when I find them I will replace ADL. --Inayity (talk) 18:47, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

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{{closed rfc top|result= Involved close for reason: dispute moved to Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#RfC_notices. Mgp28 (talk) 13:16, 15 August 2023 (UTC)}}

Should this page be included in :Category:Antisemitism in the United States and :Category:Anti-white racism in the United States? (Contributors to this RfC may also wish to take part in Talk:Louis Farrakhan#RfC: Bias categories and Talk:Samaire Armstrong#RfC: Racism category.) gnu57 01:31, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

• No per WP:CATBLP: {{tq|Do not categorize biographies of living people under such contentious topics as racism, sexism, extremism, and the like, since these have the effect of labeling a person as a racist, sexist, or extremist.}} gnu57 01:31, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
• No. WP:CATBLP seems pretty cut and dried. Regulov (talk) 02:48, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

• No. Agree with above, WP:BLPRACIST seems clear on this. Is there a reason we should be considering going against the policy on this article, or on the other two listed above? —Mgp28 (talk) 09:09, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
• {{ping|Genericusername57}} Starting an RfC on a single article talk page is not an appropriate way to go about getting a consensus for making mass category changes which have been disputed. Instead, please start an RfC on Wikipedia talk:Biographies of living persons. Beyond My Ken (talk) 17:49, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
• No, per CATBLP. Note: this RFC also concerns 81 other articles, in {{lnc|Genericusername57|62|202308121249|ns=0|disp=these 62}} and {{lnc|Genericusername57|19|202308040155|ns=0}}. Mathglot (talk) 19:26, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
• No, there doesn't appear to be much support for this change or the other similar RfCs. These should be withdrawn or closed per Beyond My Ken. Thanks! Nemov (talk) 12:34, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

{{closed rfc bottom}}