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This is not of FA quality

This article received its FA rating back in 2007, at a time when the standards at FAC were considerably more relaxed than they have since become. Looking through this article, it is apparent that it does not meet present FA standards; indeed, it may even struggle to reach GA status. There are various sentences throughout the article that are simply unreferenced; the formatting of the citations that are used are haphazard; various sections, such as "Township", are badly organised and full of stand alone sentences; and there is an over-reliance on free web sources as opposed to more expert, print sources. I appreciate that a lot of time and effort probably went into getting this to FA status back in the noughties, but it is now time that we send this along to featured article review. Midnightblueowl (talk) 18:53, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Feature article review

Just to make sure people see this, please come participate in the feature article review discussion. Thanks! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 06:39, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

=Content removed=

The content below from the indicated sections was removed for various reasons, usually because of lack of citation. Please discuss these items in their sections below. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:52, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

==Owens Valley Paiute==

This paragraph was removed because the references used are not verifiable (except for the one verifying the size of the lake):

  • "The Army didn't take them on a direct route, either, said Owens Valley Paiute elder Irene Button. "They were forced to walk all the way around the eastern shore of Owens Lake (covers an area of approximately {{convert |108|sqmi|sqkm|0}}).{{cite web | last = Reheis | first = Marith C. | title = Owens (Dry) Lake, California: A Human-Induced Dust Problem | publisher = United States Geological Service | url = https://geochange.er.usgs.gov/sw/impacts/geology/owens | date = December 9, 2016 | accessdate = December 30, 2018 | archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20190313150013/https://geochange.er.usgs.gov/sw/impacts/geology/owens/ | archive-date = March 13, 2019 | url-status = live }} They wanted to make sure that as many as possible would die before they reached Fort Tejon."{{cite interview | last = Button | first = Irene | title = Button Family Speaks During Katari Project | location = Manzanar National Historic Site | date = November 3, 2018 | interviewer = Manzanar National Historic Site and Manzanar Committee}}
  • I may have found a book that talks about this. We'll see when I access it. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:49, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

==Closure==

These sentences were removed from the third paragraph (following "...{{lang|ja|慰霊塔}} ("Soul Consoling Tower")."):

  • The monument is often draped in strings of origami, and sometimes survivors and other visitors leave offerings of personal items as mementos. The National Park Service periodically collects and catalogues such items.

==National Historic Landmark and National Historic Site==

The following sentence was removed as sources have proven difficult to locate. (It was prior to "The Manzanar National Historic Site also unveiled its virtual museum..."):

  • In late 2008, historically appropriate vegetation was planted near the Visitor Center.

==References removed==

Removed because they are apparently not reliable. Please feel free to comment on why or why not they are reliable. The name of the ref is in quotes, with the citation below that. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:43, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

  • "AikoWords":
  • {{cite web | last = Herzig-Yoshinaga | first = Aiko | title = Words Can Lie Or Clarify: Terminology Of The World War II Incarceration Of Japanese Americans | url = https://manzanarcommittee.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/wordscanlieorclarify-ahy.pdf | publisher = Aiko Herzig-Yoshinaga | work = ManzanarCommittee.org | date = March 4, 2010 | accessdate = October 11, 2019 | archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20170113173605/https://manzanarcommittee.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/wordscanlieorclarify-ahy.pdf | archive-date = January 13, 2017 | url-status = live }}
  • "DenshoTerminology":
  • {{cite web|title=Densho: Terminology & Glossary: A Note On Terminology |publisher=Densho |url=http://www.densho.org/default.asp?path=/assets/sharedpages/glossary.asp?section=home |year=1997 |accessdate=July 15, 2007 |url-status=dead |archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20070624065352/http://www.densho.org/default.asp?path=%2Fassets%2Fsharedpages%2Fglossary.asp%3Fsection%3Dhome |archivedate=June 24, 2007 }}
  • "Reflectionsiii–iv"
  • {{cite book|title=Reflections: Three Self-Guided Tours Of Manzanar|publisher=Manzanar Committee|year=1998|pages=iii–iv}}
  • "SKE-ManzanarCommittee"
  • {{cite web|url=https://manzanarcommittee.org/2010/10/21/sue-kunitomi-embrey-concentration-camps-not-relocations-centers|title=Sue Kunitomi Embrey: Concentration Camps, Not Relocation Centers|last=Embrey|first=Bruce|date=October 21, 2010|publisher=Manzanar Committee|accessdate=May 11, 2017}}
  • "McCarthy-Human Quest"
  • {{cite journal | last = McCarthy | first = Sheryl | title = Suffering Isn't One Group's Exclusive Privilege | journal = HumanQuest | date = July–August 1999}}
  • "Ito-MotherJones"
  • {{cite magazine | last = Ito | first = Robert | title = Concentration Camp Or Summer Camp? | magazine = Mother Jones | date = September 15, 1998 | url = http://motherjones.com/politics/1998/09/concentration-camp-or-summer-camp | accessdate = November 18, 2010 | archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20110104212013/http://motherjones.com/politics/1998/09/concentration-camp-or-summer-camp | archive-date = January 4, 2011 | url-status = live }}

=Further reading=

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I'm thinking that "Owens Valley resources" might be better moved to the Manzanar, California article. The "Wartime-related resources" which are reliable secondary sources should be cited in the article; those which are primary sources should be kept as further reading. The Post-War-related resources looks like it has accumulated several books which are only tangentially related (if at all); I would axe most of it. buidhe 04:48, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

:I've moved the "Owens Valley resources" to Manzanar, California#Owens Valley resources. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 04:59, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

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=Muslim pilgrimages=

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The article states:

Since the September 11 attacks, American Muslims have participated in the Pilgrimage to promote and increase awareness of civil rights protections in the wake of widespread suspicions harbored against them post-9/11.{{cite news | last = Matsuda | first = Gann | title = Manzanar Pilgrimage: A Diversity of Faces...And Much More | url = https://manzanarcommittee.org/2008/04/27/manzanar-pilgrimage-a-diversity-of-facesand-much-more | publisher = Manzanar Committee | date = April 30, 2008 | accessdate = May 20, 2017 | archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20190214233416/https://manzanarcommittee.org/2008/04/27/manzanar-pilgrimage-a-diversity-of-facesand-much-more/ | archive-date = February 14, 2019 | url-status = live }}{{cite news|last=Leach |first=Emily |title=The Ties That Bind: Muslim Americans Join Japanese Americans on Manzanar Pilgrimage |publisher=Asian Week |url=http://www.asianweek.com/2008/05/02/the-ties-that-bind-muslim-americans-join-Japanese-Americans-on-manzanar-pilgrimage |date=May 2, 2008 |accessdate=September 16, 2008 |url-status=dead |archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20080513143207/http://www.asianweek.com/2008/05/02/the-ties-that-bind-muslim-americans-join-japanese-americans-on-manzanar-pilgrimage/ |archivedate=May 13, 2008 }}

Is this still happening? Does anyone have articles more recent than 2008? ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 04:51, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

:I'm finding sources for [https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/muslim-american-manzanar-pilgrimage-finds-parallels-between-internment-modern-day-n754561 2017] and [https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-manzanar-50th-annual-pilgrimage-20190427-story.html 2019]. Seems it's still a thing. buidhe 05:22, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

::Awesome. I've added the LA Times article and added a sentence. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 20:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

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=Additional resources for references=

Buidhe provided this list of possible sources for use in improving the article:

  • {{cite book |last1=Burton |first1=Jeffery F. |last2=Farrell |first2=Mary M. |title=Prisoners of War: Archaeology, Memory, and Heritage of 19th- and 20th-Century Mass Internment |date=2013 |publisher=Springer |isbn=978-1-4614-4166-3 |pages=239–269 |url=https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-4614-4166-3_14 |language=en |chapter=“Life in Manzanar Where There Is a Spring Breeze”: Graffiti at a World War II Japanese American Internment Camp}}
  • {{cite journal |last1=Colborn-Roxworthy |first1=Emily |title="Manzanar, the Eyes of the World Are upon You": Performance and Archival Ambivalence at a Japanese American Internment Camp |journal=Theatre Journal |date=2007 |volume=59 |issue=2 |pages=189–214 |url=https://www.jstor.org/stable/25070006 |issn=0192-2882}}
  • {{cite journal |last1=HAYASHI |first1=ROBERT T. |title=Transfigured Patterns: Contesting Memories at the Manzanar National Historic Site |journal=The Public Historian |date=November 2003 |volume=25 |issue=4 |pages=51–71 |doi=10.1525/tph.2003.25.4.51}}
  • {{cite journal |last1=Ohrn |first1=Karen Becker |title=What You See Is What You Get: Dorothea Lange and Ansel Adams at Manzanar |journal=Journalism History |date=31 July 2019 |volume=4 |issue=1 |pages=14–32 |doi=10.1080/00947679.1977.12066836}}
  • {{cite journal |last1=Hansen |first1=Authur A. |last2=Hacker |first2=David A. |title=The Manzanar Riot: An Ethnic Perspective |journal=Amerasia Journal |date=13 February 2019 |volume=2 |issue=2 |pages=112–157 |doi=10.17953/amer.2.2.1kl24477mkk70q51}}
  • {{cite journal |last1=Kurashige |first1=Lon |title=Resistance, Collaboration, and Manzanar Protest |journal=Pacific Historical Review |date=1 August 2001 |volume=70 |issue=3 |pages=387–417 |doi=10.1525/phr.2001.70.3.387}}
  • {{cite journal |last1=Ladino |first1=Jennifer K. |title=Mountains, Monuments, and other Matter: Environmental Affects at Manzanar |journal=Environmental Humanities |date=1 January 2015 |volume=6 |issue=1 |pages=131–157 |doi=10.1215/22011919-3615925}}
  • {{cite journal |last1=HAYS |first1=FRANK |title=The National Park Service: Groveling Sycophant or Social Conscience: Telling the Story of Mountains, Valley, and Barbed Wire at Manzanar National Historic Site |journal=The Public Historian |date=November 2003 |volume=25 |issue=4 |pages=73–80 |doi=10.1525/tph.2003.25.4.73}}
  • {{cite book |last1=Beckwith |first1=Ronald J. |title=Prisoners of War: Archaeology, Memory, and Heritage of 19th- and 20th-Century Mass Internment |date=2013 |publisher=Springer |isbn=978-1-4614-4166-3 |pages=271–284 |url=https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-4614-4166-3_15 |language=en |chapter=Japanese-Style Ornamental Community Gardens at Manzanar Relocation Center}}
  • {{cite journal |last1=Thy Phu |title=The Spaces of Human Confinement: Manzanar Photography and Landscape Ideology |journal=Journal of Asian American Studies |date=2008 |volume=11 |issue=3 |pages=337–371 |doi=10.1353/jaas.0.0020}}
  • {{cite journal |last1=Smocovitis |first1=Vassiliki Betty |title=Genetics Behind Barbed Wire: Masuo Kodani, Émigré Geneticists, and Wartime Genetics Research at Manzanar Relocation Center |journal=Genetics |date=February 2011 |volume=187 |issue=2 |pages=357–366 |doi=10.1534/genetics.110.126128}}
  • {{cite journal |last1=Parks |first1=Kimberley Roberts |title=Revisiting Manzanar: A history of Japanese American internment camps as presented in selected federal government documents 1941–2002 |journal=Journal of Government Information |date=January 2004 |volume=30 |issue=5-6 |pages=575–593 |doi=10.1016/j.jgi.2004.10.003}}
  • {{cite journal |last1=McStotts |first1=Jennifer Cohoon |title=Internment in the Desert: A Critical Review of Manzanar National Historic Site |journal=International Journal of Heritage Studies |date=May 2007 |volume=13 |issue=3 |pages=281–287 |doi=10.1080/13527250701228239}}
  • Adler, S.M. (2014) The Effect of Internment on Children and Families: Honouliuli and Manzanar. In S. Falgout and L. Nishigaya (Eds.), Breaking the Silence: Lessons of Democracy and Social Justice from the World War II Honouliuli Internment and POW Camp in Hawai ‘i, vol. 44, (178-197).
  • {{cite book |last1=Alinder |first1=Jasmine |title=Moving Images: Photography and the Japanese American Incarceration |date=2009 |publisher=University of Illinois Press |isbn=978-0-252-03398-8 |language=en |chapter=The Right to Represent: Toyo Miyatake’s Photographs of Manzanar}}

Feel free to use any or all of them. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 05:08, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Cow Creek annex

The latest USNPS map of internment facilities includes a pointer to Cow Creek in Death Valley as a sort of intermediate/temporary jail short of sending people to Tule Lake. This is next to NPS employee housing and the DV Nat. Hist. Assoc.. 24.121.145.212 (talk) 23:43, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

100th Infantry Battalion[88] and the 442nd regimental Combat Team[89]

References in the heading and a paragraph without any inline references at all are not acceptable in a FA.

The problem was introduced by {{Ping|SanseiBear}} with [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Manzanar&diff=prev&oldid=1225696407 this edit], and they don't appear to be active at the moment. William Avery (talk) 13:56, 2 November 2024 (UTC)