Talk:Materialization (paranormal)

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The result of the move request was: No move. Cúchullain ^t/c 16:50, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

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:Materialization (paranormal) → {{no redirect|Materialization}} – Everything else at the disambiguation page is more of a dicdef than actually mentioned in the linked pages. This is the only actual article for the term. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 22:07, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose - fails the WP:ASTONISH test mostly due to many sci-fi usages. I also think the article might be misnamed, "materialization" was a word coined later (1870s or so) when more sophisticated spiritualists claimed to produce tangible "material" objects. Because of this, I suggest Manifestation (paranormal) as a better, broader term because it includes any evidence of spiritual presence, including simple audible or visual "apparitions", in addition to more complex "materializations". [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=materialization%3D%3Espirit%2Cmanifestation%3D%3Espirit&year_start=1800&year_end=2008&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cmaterialization%3D%3Espirit%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cmanifestation%3D%3Espirit%3B%2Cc0 Google Ngram for evidence] (hit the blue button if you don't see a graph). I think the article is conflating the two words in some spots, but I don't have access to several of the sources used to directly verify. -- Netoholic @ 00:56, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose the sci-fi meanings will be far commoner for most readers than ghosts. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:03, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
• I usually hear "materialize" in the form of supernatural phenomena. e.g. "The ghost materialized in front of me." I dispute that the use of the term in sci-fi is "far more common". Rather than "dematerialized", teleported things are usually described as, well, teleported._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 08:16, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose. There's enough doubt here for disambiguation to be the best choice. Andrewa (talk) 01:26, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

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