Talk:Meanings of minor-planet names

{{Ping|Rfassbind}} I saw this and thought I could write a small helper template, like {{tl|Meanings of minor planet names/Grey}}, that will check the page for a redirect and return the necessary table wikitext to grey it out, and otherwise return normal table wikitext. What do you think?   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  11:55, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

: Hi {{reply to|Tom.Reding}}. Sure, go for it! Rfassbind – talk 12:53, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

: Also consider to reuse some of your new code for the templates {{tlx|TOC001}} and {{tlx|Meanings of minor planet names}}, where automatic #R-detection and greying-out links could be applied as well, I think. Rfassbind – talk 13:08, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

:: Yes, between the helper template & {{tl|LinkCatIfExists2}}, I believe I can cover all cases.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  13:53, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

::: Totally forgot about this, but finally got around to it, via {{tl|MoMP index element}}...   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  22:01, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi, would it be possible to turn all the references on the subpages (the lists) to proper references with . I find it confusing that these pages have a different system and use other symbols. Including other information about the url such as name and archive url also helps the verifiability long term. See also Wikipedia:Bare URLs. Dajasj (talk) 05:56, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

:I agree. These should be turned into proper citations. Rublamb (talk) 14:42, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

I think having the partial lists classified as {{para|class|list}} from inception is the best option (as opposed to {{para|class|redirect}} or {{para|class|<blank>}}), whether or not they are currently a redirect, or have already been turned into a proper list. 2 reasons for this:

1. the category output of {{tl|WikiProject banner shell}} is the same for both #Rs and for proper lists (easily tested on non-#R & {{-r|Talk:Meanings of minor planet names: 699001–700000|currently-#R}} examples) due to its redirect-detection
2. using {{para|class|redirect}} or {{para|class|<blank>}} places the page into 4 unassessed WikiProject categories (list, ast, astro, & ss) once the page becomes a proper list, which adds more work to be done after a page is converted from a redirect, and into {{cat|Pages using WikiProject banner shell without a project-independent quality rating}} if {{para|class|redirect}} is used

One of the goals, I think, is to minimize the steps necessary to bring a page out of dormancy as a redirect to a proper list, which {{para|class|list}} does, with no real downside.

Ping to {{U|Praemonitus}} who has done some recent rating here.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  14:30, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

: Yes, a redirect will automatically override the class setting, so there's no harm in setting it to 'list'. However, the way WP:AST importance ratings are assigned, a redirect has a 'na' importance while a 'list' will have a normal low/med/high/top importance. Praemonitus (talk) 05:00, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

:: {{Ping|Praemonitus}} I think it's ok if the temporary #Rs are misclassified as lists for the time they remain #Rs, even if that time is lengthy, since their intended purpose and eventual destination is to be a list. Otherwise it just seems like a distinction without much of a difference. But, if you want to keep track of that, go for it.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  17:24, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

:Some things just grow by incremental edits and get out of hand. The "External links" section, one of the optional appendices, has grown to 17 entries. Three seems to be an acceptable number and of course, everyone has their favorite to try to add for a forth. While not the most egregious the overlisting was very excessive

:The problem is that none is needed for article promotion.

• ELpoints #3) states: {{tq|Links in the "External links" section should be kept to a minimum. A lack of external links or a small number of external links is not a reason to add external links.}}
• LINKFARM states: {{tq|There is nothing wrong with adding one or more useful content-relevant links to the external links section of an article; however, excessive lists can dwarf articles and detract from the purpose of Wikipedia. On articles about topics with many fansites, for example, including a link to one major fansite may be appropriate.}}
• ELMIN: {{tq|Minimize the number of links}}. --
• ELCITE: {{tq|Do not use {{tl|cite web}} or other citation templates in the External links section. Citation templates are permitted in the Further reading section.}}

:Inclusion as an "External link" should {{tq|contain further research that is accurate and on-topic, information that could not be added to the article for reasons such as copyright or amount of detail, or other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article for reasons unrelated to its accuracy.}}

• WP:ELBURDEN: {{tq|Disputed links should be excluded by default unless and until there is a consensus to include them}}. -- Otr500 (talk)

:I moved the deleted links here for any possible discussion.

• [https://web.archive.org/web/20060904085544/http://www.astro.umd.edu/awards/deptwinners-new.shtml Asteroids named after members of staff and graduates of the Department of Astronomy, University of Maryland]
• [https://web.archive.org/web/20050829095423/http://www.rasc.ca/faq/asteroids/home.htm Asteroids with Canadian Connections]
• [https://web.archive.org/web/20160113131040/http://www.friedensblitz.de/sterne/glanzzeiten/Namen.html Asteroids with a Hamburg connection] (in German)
• [https://web.archive.org/web/20050306124845/http://esztergom.mcse.hu/magyar/minor.html Hungarian asteroids]
• [http://www.swisr.org/col5.html In Our Skies journalistic article on asteroid nomenclature]
• [https://web.archive.org/web/20050408084512/http://www.ipa.nw.ru/PAGE/DEPFUND/LSBSS/englenam.htm Institute of Applied Astronomy's list of (accented) names]
• [http://www.klet.org/names/ Kleť Numbered Minor Planets]
• [http://www.astronieuws.nl/NL-plan.html List of "Dutch" asteroids] (in Dutch)
• [https://web.archive.org/web/20050831102957/http://www.planetary.org/html/neo/Objects-Impacts/tpsasteroids.html Planetary Society asteroids]
• [https://web.archive.org/web/20060820233741/http://www.ll.mit.edu/LINEAR/ceres.html The Ceres Connection (asteroids named after students)]

:The below content, with references, can likely be used in the article but not as a reference in the "External links" section

Some systematic sources of citations are:

• The database of the Minor Planet Center can be searched: http://www.minorplanetcenter.net/db_search/
• The JPL Small-Body Database Browser: http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi
• The Minor Planet Center has lists of discovery circumstances for [http://www.minorplanetcenter.net/iau/lists/NumberedMPs.html numbered minor planets] which link to a script at the Harvard University Center for Astronomy MPES (Minor Planet Ephemeris Service) that displays citations.
• The Minor Planet Center also provides a [http://mycroftproject.com/search-engines.html?name=minorplanetcenter.net search engine] allowing a search of its database from your browser.

In the first two cases you need only modify the last argument of the address to the name or number of the minor planet. The lists of discovery circumstances are split into groups of 5000 minor planets, each containing links for individual named minor planets that access the script displaying citations. -- Otr500 (talk) 10:41, 2 September 2024 (UTC)