Talk:Meovv#Requested move 29 April 2025

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:Meovv → {{no redirect|MEOVV}} – Their name stands for "My Eyes Open VVide (wide)". https://m.entertain.naver.com/article/468/0001091393

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ItzyWooah (talk) 17:25, 29 April 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 11:58, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:No where did the referenced article states that their name is meant to be an anagram. George13lol2 (talk) 22:44, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

::See the 'Name' section. — Werter1995 (talk) 05:37, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

:::Reading the article, I see the explanation of the group's name being: "To add some artistic fun, we ended up writing 'MEOW' as 'MEOVV' and I liked that each letter represents our members. I liked the team name from the moment I first heard it." This reads as the name is derived from writing the word "Meow" as "Meovv", not that the name is an anagram. Flabshoe1 (talk) 20:29, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

:Support their name is an acronym. ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 00:15, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

:Support, really acronym. — Werter1995 (talk) 05:38, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

::Also there are other groups whose names are acronyms and are also in all caps (ex. STAYC, DIA, NU'EST, I.O.I, etc.) ItzyWooah (talk) 17:42, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

:Oppose per Flabshoe, the name is a backronym and this is more of marketing a gimmick than anything meaningful. It is pronounced as "meow", not "em ee oh vee vee", the acronym is clearly secondary. orangesclub 🍊 07:35, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

::STAYC's article is also an acromyn and written in all caps but it isn't pronounced as "es tee ei wai see" ItzyWooah (talk) 17:45, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

:::I understand but "MEOVV" being an acronym doesn't make sense, seeing as the w is stylistically swapped for vv. VVide isn't a word to create an acronym out of - I'd understand if it were My Eyes Open Very Vastly, but as we have it now, it almost seems like it should be MEOVv which isn't the answer. I still oppose this move. orangesclub 🍊 23:58, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

:Oppose According to Orangeclub and Flabshoe, the page shouldn't be renamed to MEOVV. While Meovv can be interpreted as an acronym for My Eyes Open VVide (Wide), that meaning came later and was mainly created for branding purposes. The original inspiration for the name actually came from the word “Meow,” not the abbreviation. In contrast, groups like STAYC made their abbreviation the primary identity, with the pronunciation being secondary — a distinction Meovv does not share. Yuzuhasenkki (Hot Mess, Hot Mess!) 04:22, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

:Note: WikiProject Women in Music, WikiProject Korea, and WikiProject Pop music have been notified of this discussion. – robertsky (talk) 11:58, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

::Oppose the supposed acronym is a flimsy marketing gimmick at best. The “VV” makes it pretty well not an acronym as “VV” does not mean “w”. 47.55.185.159 (talk) 13:57, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:Weak support oppose, prefer to wait 3–6 months. Whether or not MEOVV is an acronym is irrelevant or at best secondary; what matters is usage in outside sources. This is clearly a marketing gimmick that has been adopted by numerous K-pop groups. Wikipedia avoids these unless independent, reliable sources overwhelmingly follow all-caps or other creative styling (see MOS:CAPS and WP:TMCAPS). I looked at the first five pages of Google News results, and out of 50 articles, only three did not did not use all-caps.[https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2025-04-14/entertainment/kpop/Meovv-to-release-first-album-My-Eyes-Open-VVide-in-May/2284305][https://www.koreaherald.com/article/10464712] (The third reference, Entertainment Paper, is apparently blacklisted.) Among the 47 pieces that do use all caps were [https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/music-news/meovv-toxic-body-the-black-label-k-pop-interview-1236090860/ The Hollywood Reporter] and [https://www.teenvogue.com/story/meet-meovv-rising-k-pop-stars-with-a-cosign-from-rose-interview Teen Vogue], along with many sources that are based in South Korea and/or appear dedicated to K-pop. Since sources do show a clear preference, the move is arguably justified, but it's possible usage will shift if this group has sustained coverage in a range of sources. It would be better to re-evaluate in a few months. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 17:37, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

::As a sanity check, THR generally does not put Blackpink in all caps[https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/results/?q=blackpink&size=n_10_n&sort-field=relevance&sort-direction=desc] but TV does[https://www.teenvogue.com/search?q=BLACKPINK&sort=score+desc]. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 21:07, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

::Changed to weak oppose upon further consideration. We really should avoid indulging this usage. Still only "weak" because sources do support all-caps.--MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 20:51, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

:Oppose based on information from others Iwillpeeonadime (talk) 8:41, 12 May 2025 (UTC)