Talk:Muhammad Ali Jinnah#Caste.2Ftribe

The spelling of Delhi is wrongly entered under the photograph "Jinnah arguing with Gandhi". Aadarshi Koundinya (talk) 07:07, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

:{{done}} - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:56, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Can we include more detailed information on Jinnah's role in shaping Pakistan's foreign policy in it's early years , particularly his approach towards India and West ? Khan Karim Khan (talk) 15:51, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

:If there is information from a high-quality reliable source, presented in a neutral tone, I would have long objection, though given the length of this article, it might be best to have a stand-alone article about his policies during his final year when Pakistan was independent. Wehwalt (talk) 16:46, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

::Yes the idea of a new separate article is good , but a brief summary of that can be mentioned in this article and I believe it must be because it is a complete biography of him and that was a very crucial year and step in his life that is still impacting Pakistan after all these years . Khan Karim Khan (talk) 15:08, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

This is a recent addition to the early life section, "According to Jinnah, his ancestor was a Rajput from Sahiwal in Punjab who moved into Kathiawar after becoming a Khoja." citing Jinnah, Pakistan and Islamic Identity: The Search for Saladin by Akbar Ahmed. I quote this source in full [https://books.google.com/books?id=RqyniTHXFxUC&lpg=PP1&pg=PA4]:

{{talk quote|"Jinnah's family traced its descent from Iran and reflected Shia, Sunni, and Ismaili influences; some of the family names - Valji, Manbai and Nathoo - were even 'akin to Hindu names' (F. Jinnah 1987: 50). Such things mattered in a Muslim society conscious of underlining its non-Indian origins, a society where people gained status through family names such as Sayyed and Qureshi (suggesting Arab descent), Ispahani (Iran) and Durrani (Afghanistan). Another source has a different explanation of Jinnah's origins. Mr Jinnah, according to a Pakistani author, said that his male ancestor was a Rajput from Sahiwal in the Punjab who has married into the Ismaili Khojas and settled in Kathiawar (Beg 1986:888)".}}

Ahmed is quoting Aziz Beg here, whom I cannot find much information about but what does he write in Jinnah and His Times: A Biography [https://books.google.com/books?id=JeVtAAAAMAAJ]:

{{talk quote|In a place called Paneli, which was more like a hamlet than a village lived Poonja Meghji. He was known to belong to the Khoja community. But his grandson once claimed that he belonged to a Muslim Rajput family of Sahiwal District ...}}

So, not only has Ahmed incorrectly attributed this to Jinnah, he himself cites this claim as an alternative view away from the mainstream as does Beg. There have been a number of theories regarding Jinnah's family/ancestry [including another one noted above by Ahmed of Iranian descent and others such as his father being a Hindu], most of these are from non-scholars and distant relatives and don't hold up to scrutiny neither appear in any prominent reliable biography. The only thing known with certainly is that he was a Khoja and this is clearly attributed to him and immediate family and appears in all standard biographies. I will be removing the misrepresented and unreliable claim from the article, such theories maybe better placed at Jinnah family [though I doubt their relevance there as well considering the dubiousness] but definitely not at an FA such as this one. Gotitbro (talk) 18:58, 9 June 2025 (UTC)