Talk:Muhammad Iqbal#RFC about the origin of a South Asian

Oriental Aristocrat... instead of just reverting can you at least provide explanation why you are reverting? The current explanation that you have offered is refuted by WP:STONEWALL. Aman Kumar Goel ^(Talk) 06:44, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

: Here's a reference tying Iqbal and the two-nation theory. "Conceptualising Pakistan in a two nation theory format, Iqbal offered a map of the redistribution of territory forming a Muslim state comprising the north-west part of India and Bengal (Datta 2002: 5037)."{{cite book |last1=Chakrabarty |first1=Bidyut |last2=Pandey |first2=Rajendra Kumar |title=Modern Indian Political Thought: Text and Context |date=10 July 2009 |publisher=SAGE Publishing |isbn=978-93-5280-189-3 |language=en}} 182.190.17.244 (talk) 01:15, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

::{{ping|182.190.17.244}} But where does the reference answers to the rebuttals made by Dawn source? Aman Kumar Goel ^(Talk) 12:20, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

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The origin of 'allama' is the Arabic word علّامة (rather than saying the Persian word ...) .. source: any Arabic dictionary (even Persian dictionaries would say that). In short

Change

Allama[11] (from Persian: علامہ

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Allama [11] (from Arabic: علّامة

78.147.100.202 (talk) 15:42, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.

I'm afraid you need to provide the dictionary, and since it will be in either Arabic or Persian and this is English Wikipedia, you'll need to provide the translation as well. The dictionary need not be available online--it can be your paper copy at home, we'll trust you to represent it correctly, we just need to be able to verify the book itself exists.

By the way, the supporting citation given in this article is from an 1884 publication, A Dictionary of Urdu, Classical Hindi, and English. The entry is:

علامه ʻallāma (p. 763) P علامه ʻallāma (for A. علامة, fr. ʻallām, q.v.), adj. Very knowing, most learned ( = ʻallām)

Which to me doesn't support whether the term derives from Arabic or Persian. The Wikipedia article Allamah doesn't say either, just gives the Arabic, Urdu and Persian words. Xan747 (talk) 22:08, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

The source is used once in the article in "Personal Life>Background" section to confirm Iqbal's spoken languages (Urdu and Panjabi). Although the fact mentioned here in the source (regarding Iqbal's languages) may not be false or incorrect, the overall source is unreliable and non-neutral in terms of political agendas. The source is way too politically biased and lacks neutrality to be used as a proper source. The source is overall based on political and irrational agendas, personal opinions, irrationalism, lacks transparency and neutrality, somewhat provoking and xenophobic, gives wrong information about various sects and terms/phrases in Islam and does not qualify to be a proper source for any historical facts even if it may contain some actual facts. The overall source is not reliable and breaks various Wikipedia's rules to be counted as a reliable source and the book also contains plenty of original research too. The citation should be replaced by a different and more reliable citation that fits Wikipedia's rules properly. Asaduzzaman Khan Shahriar (talk) 06:21, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

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In the ideology part, it is has been mentioned that he embrassed the idea of pakistan in 1940 which is wrong as he died before that. 2405:201:2005:302E:DD08:7E80:480C:A221 (talk) 17:14, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

:{{notdone}} The sentence you point to refers to Jinnah, not Iqbal. Jinnah died in 1948.RegentsPark (comment) 19:03, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

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We could be more specific. Allama Iqbal is a Pakistani poet, instead of a South Asian poet.

We could be more specific. Allama Iqbal is a Pakistani poet, instead of a South Asian poet. Haleema09 (talk) 15:10, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

:{{notdone}} Unfortunately, Iqbal died before Pakistan was formed therefore he cannot be a Pakistani poet. RegentsPark (comment) 15:22, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

::Allama Iqbal was British Indian or Indian rather than South Asian, surely ? Hollerpoller (talk) 16:20, 13 April 2025 (UTC)