Talk:Murder of James Bulger

Re [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Murder_of_James_Bulger&curid=26646400&diff=1156639065&oldid=1156638939 this edit]: It isn't clear cut to describe the murder as child sexual abuse. This never became an issue at the trial, as the list of Bulger's injuries were read out in court without further comment in order to spare the feelings of his parents. This has led to speculation that some of the injuries were sexually motivated, but it isn't ideal to add this to the infobox, as this is a place for uncontroversial statements. ♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 21:33, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

:TheXuitts: I'm not happy about sexual assault and suspected rape being added to the infobox as it is not clearly supported by the sourcing. Thompson and Venables were convicted of murder, not sexual assault. A sexual element was suspected but not proved, leading to problems with verifiability. This is best left to the text of the article.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:22, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

::Fair enough. I'd still argue it meets the definition but you make valid points. TheXuitts (talk) 21:19, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Re [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Murder_of_James_Bulger&curid=26646400&diff=1176329939&oldid=1176315586 this edit]: Venables has a parole hearing scheduled for 14-15 November [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-66868535] and this is on the front page of Metro today.[https://imgur.com/a/zZUhxyZ] There is an element of WP:CRYSTAL due to the past ups and downs of parole hearings for Venables, so the article should wait until there is firmer news. ♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 08:14, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

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I propose that the section about arrests and other sections included be split into a separate page called Jon Venables, he's got enough information to make an article. СлаваУкраїні 15:01, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:BLP1E. This was proposed and previously rejected here. Venables has no real notability independent of this case.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:48, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:BLP1E & per ianmacm, above. --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:23, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

:Oppose. Even apart from WP:BLP1E there's really not a whole lot to say about him independent of the content already in this article. It's not like we can't cover his crimes afterwards here? The only reason I could see for splitting it is if someone wanted to remove the content of his later crimes from this article for being undue, which I don't see anyone arguing. PARAKANYAA (talk) 08:41, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:BLP1E.Andy Dingley (talk) 19:47, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

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The article at present does not contain any information about the prior lives of Thompson and Venables. I feel this is a mistake, as to what extent their parenting was a cause of their actions was (and still is) a large part of media discussion on the case. Eldomtom2 (talk) 19:52, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

:There isn't a great deal known about Thompson and Venables other than that they came from poor backgrounds and were known as troublemakers and truants long before the murder. The article could go into more detail, but there would need to be sourcing.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 10:01, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

::That's stuff that should be in the article. [https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/nov/01/bulger.familyandrelationships This Guardian report] is a good starting point.--Eldomtom2 (talk) 15:23, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Re [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Bulger this edit]: There are WP:BLP issues here. Trutv.com is not a great source, and this text makes various claims that would have BLP issues if incorrect. Also, there are WP:BLPNAME issues here, as some of the people named are not major players in the crime. I agree that there could be more about Thompson and Venables's poor upbringing, but none of this is ideal. ♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 08:21, 21 December 2024 (UTC)