Talk:Museum for Hamburg History#Requested move 24 May 2025
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On [http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Portal_Diskussion:Hamburg&action=edit§ion=22 de.wikipedia Portal_Diskussion:Hamburg] our discussion about the lemma ended to keep the traditional and only official name
:de:Museum für Hamburgische Geschichte, Museum for Hamburg History. I would recommend to you to use the official lemma as on deWP or caWP.
The same discussion is on [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2013/05/Category:Museum_für_Hamburgische_Geschichte Categories_for_discussion Museum_für_Hamburgische_Geschichte]. The majority there is convinced to keep the official category name Museum_für_Hamburgische_Geschichte. So I suggest to harmonize the lemma also here. Regards--Oursana (talk) 14:00, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Requested move 10 October 2020
:The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Moved {{nac}} (t · c) buidhe 04:56, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
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:Hamburg Museum → {{no redirect|Museum for Hamburg History}} – Procedural nomination, copying User:Johnbod's comment at WP:CFDS: This is a mess! Their [https://shmh.de/en website uses] "Museum für Hamburgische Geschichte" ("Museum for Hamburg History"). The article claims (unreferenced) that "The museum was named hamburgmuseum in 2006" but I can't see web refs for this on a quick look. "Hamburg Museum" appears to be wiki-home-made. There are several museums in H, run by a body that could be called "Hamburg Museums" in English, but the article is only about the history one. Rename the article. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:55, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support - or the German "Museum für Hamburgische Geschichte" using "for" isn't very idiomatic imo. Both should redirect anyway. Note the section above, from 2013. Johnbod (talk) 14:27, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Their English website uses Museum for Hamburg History, so that's good enough for me. Oppose using the German name per WP:USEENGLISH. Rreagan007 (talk) 15:42, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
:::You keep misapplying policies. WP:USEENGLISH says to use the WP:COMMONNAME in English sources. Why do you think this is Museum for Hamburg History? Johnbod (talk) 18:09, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
::::Because they use that name on their own English language website. Rreagan007 (talk) 22:10, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
::::::That by itself has little bearing on the WP:COMMONNAME. Johnbod (talk) 02:07, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
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Requested move 24 May 2025
{{requested move/dated|Museum of Hamburg History}}
:Museum for Hamburg History → {{no redirect|Museum of Hamburg History}} – [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Hamburg+History+Museum%2CMuseum+of+Hamburg+History%2CMuseum+of+the+History+of+Hamburg%2CMuseum+for+Hamburg+History&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3 Ngrams] show this to be a more commonly used name in English-language sources. Although the official English website used "Museum for Hamburg History" [https://web.archive.org/web/20201128023627/https://shmh.de/en/museum-for-hamburg-history in 2020], when this article had its last RM, the English name it now uses is "[https://www.shmh.de/en/museum-of-hamburg-history/ Museum of Hamburg History]".
If the German name "Museum für Hamburgische Geschichte" is [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Hamburg+History+Museum%2CMuseum+of+Hamburg+History%2CMuseum+for+Hamburg+History%2CMuseum+f%C3%BCr+Hamburgische+Geschichte&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3 added to the ngrams] it comes out on top, but unfortunately [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22museum%20f%C3%BCr%20hamburgische%20geschichte%22&tbm=bks&lr=lang_en the results on which that's based] don't seem to exclude German-language sources from what is meant to be an English-language search, so it's hard to say how "Museum für Hamburgische Geschichte" would compare with "Museum of Hamburg History" (at least in recent sources). The safe course of action seems to be to go with the name in current official use in English, although I personally don't think that either "Museum of Hamburg History" or "Museum for Hamburg History" is very idiomatic English. Ham II (talk) 09:01, 24 May 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPathtalk 10:20, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support. Frankly none of the recent titles Museum for Hamburg History, Museum of Hamburg History, Hamburgmuseum, Museum für Hamburgische Geschichte or Hamburg Museum is perfect (have I missed any?) but this is at least as good as any. Hopefully this RM can lead to some stability and the several redirects will make the article easily found... which is after all the main objective of article title policy. Andrewa (talk) 09:54, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
:Note: WikiProject Museums, WikiProject Germany/Hamburg task force, WikiProject Germany, and WikiProject History have been notified of this discussion. TarnishedPathtalk 10:20, 31 May 2025 (UTC)