Talk:New antisemitism#tendentious edits.3F

I don't know quite where this belongs, but there are factions in the American political landscape who are pro-Isreal but antisemitic. That has become increasingly clear since 2016.

In general writing intelligently about claims of new Antisemitism requires look at several factors, e.g.,

1. Does the author investigate adverse claims or just take them as true
2. Does the author apply the same standards as used for other countries
3. Does the author distinguish among, e.g., Israel, Israeli citizens, Jews?
4. Does the author put events in context?

Discussing any of these potentially runs afoul of WP:SYNTHESIS. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 14:35, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

:"pro-Isreal but antisemitic" I do not see much of a contradiction here. Supporting Israel for political reasons does not equate to supporting Jews or supporting the rights of Jewish minorities in various countries. In the last few years, I have encountered Greek far right voters who support an alliance with Israel (against Turkey), but have no problem blaming Jews for every social or economic problem faced by the entire world. Dimadick (talk) 23:45, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

::You two need to read these articles:

::https://www.jpost.com/opinion/terra-incongnita-everyone-i-hate-is-hitler-dangerous-politicization-of-antisemitism-473188

::https://www.commentary.org/articles/robert-wistrich/the-new-war-against-the-jews/

::https://www.jpost.com/blogs/the-warped-mirror/from-al-jazeera-to-columbia-university-joseph-massads-obsession-with-israel-364634

::https://brandeiscenter.com/ali-abunimahs-orwellian-definition-of-anti-semitism/

::The idea that "there are factions in the American political landscape who are pro-Isreal but antisemitic" doesn't hold ground, let alone "has become increasingly clear since 2016". Your anecdote doesn't prove otherwise. Wake up! 69.113.233.201 (talk) 01:55, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

:::Linking four pro-Israel sources and saying "Wake up!" almost two months after the fact, coming from someone who isn't even invested enough in Wikipedia to make an account, does not invalidate these people's points. It's absolutely possible to be antisemitic and pro-Israel, just like it's absolutely possible to be antisemitic and support medical circumcision -- just because arguments against a thing are commonly antisemitic, that doesn't mean supporters of that thing can't be antisemitic. 142.126.186.135 (talk) 17:48, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

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Suggestions for further reading section:

• Brym, Robert, and Jack Jedwab. (2024). “Public Opinion and Canadian Jewry, 2024 (Part 1): Who Are the Supporters and Opponents of the Pro-Palestinian Encampments?”. Canadian Jewish Studies Études Juives Canadiennes, 39. (December):101-8. https://cjs.journals.yorku.ca/index.php/cjs/article/view/40403.
• Brym, Robert. (2024). "Public Opinion and Canadian Jewry, 2024 (Part 2): Jews and Israel 2024 Survey: Ten Further Insights". Canadian Jewish Studies Études Juives Canadiennes, 39, 108–117. https://cjs.journals.yorku.ca/index.php/cjs/article/view/40404 Gimpellino (talk) 15:48, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

:{{question}} Do you you have an undisclosed connection to any of these articles? Such a connection would need to be disclosed. Anne drew · talk · contribs 22:32, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

:{{question}}Are these books published by Public Opinion and Canadian Jewry about the Canadian supporters and opponents, or are they about global supporters and opponents? If they are only about Canadian ones, I would not add the books, per WP:Further reading: "Preference is normally given to works that cover the whole subject of the article rather than a specific aspect of the subject, and to works whose contents are entirely about the subject of the article, rather than only partly." Books about Canadian attitudes are too specific for this global page. Lova Falk (talk) 09:55, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

::{{not done}} Gimpellino You have not answered our questions so I'll close the request. If you would get back, please feel free to reopen your request by changing into "answered=no". Lova Falk (talk) 14:07, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

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Suggest adding this article to the further reading section:

Brym, Robert. (2024). “Jews and Israel 2024: A Survey of Canadian Attitudes and Jewish Perceptions”. Canadian Jewish Studies Études Juives Canadiennes, 37 (April). https://doi.org/10.25071/1916-0925.40368. Gimpellino (talk) 15:07, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

: Per WP:Further reading: "Preference is normally given to works that cover the whole subject of the article rather than a specific aspect of the subject, and to works whose contents are entirely about the subject of the article, rather than only partly." An article about Canadian attitudes is too specific for this global page. Request denied. Lova Falk (talk) 09:51, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

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The link at reference #23 (Irwin Cotler, Making the world 'Judenstaatrein', The Jerusalem Post, February 22, 2009) is a dead link.

I have found a working link for the article cited in this reference: https://www.jpost.com/opinion/op-ed-contributors/making-the-world-judenstaatrein

Please replace the link. Thank you!

ApexParagon (talk) 00:22, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}} Thanks for the new link! P1221 (talk) 15:27, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

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Russian oppositionist, publicist, blogger of socio-political topics Maxim Katz, now living in Israel, assesses the new anti-Semitism as follows:{{Cite web|url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?si=lbd2xhlAKi09CnoI&t=3127&v=MwNwKaMvSu4&feature=youtu.be|title=Палестино-израильский конфликт @Max_Katz|last=Максим Кац|date=2021-05-11|access-date=2025-05-21}}

{{quote|In modern Russia, a truly unique situation has developed - no one wants to berate Israel. Official Russian propaganda exploits the theme of good Russian-Israeli relations: ‘Israel is good, and very smart, and therefore, unlike the West, which has lost its bearings, wants to be friends with Russia.’ Russian-speaking Israelis are routinely invited to Russian talk shows to praise Russia as if they were Israelis. However, the few independent media outlets that remain in Russia are also reluctant to criticise the Israeli state, for various reasons, including the fact that they don't want to be like the Soviet observers who buzzed their audiences with horror stories about the Israeli military. The modern Russian citizen, being in his information bunker, is not even aware of the monstrous scale and ingenuity of anti-Israeli propaganda in the rest of the world. The Qatari media company Al Jazeera, which broadcasts to the entire planet in both Arabic and English, is particularly successful here. At one time Israel, even though it has no diplomatic relations with Qatar, invited one of the largest Arab TV channels to its territory to show its openness. However, Al Jazeera, on the one hand, engaged in blatant incitement of the Palestinian population, and on the other hand, for the Western viewer, it began to paint a picture of terrible war crimes and crimes against alleged humanity, such as those committed by Israel against the Palestinians. Without exaggeration, for millions of viewers in the West, Israel was likened almost to Nazi Germany. Of course, Al Jazeera is silent about terrorist attacks against Israelis. Moreover, it incites them by inciting hatred among Palestinians. But Al Jazeera is not alone. Anti-Israeli propaganda is a large-scale phenomenon, about which entire academic papers have been written. Many media outlets, social media accounts, and supposedly human rights organisations are working for this propaganda. All this has given rise to a new phenomenon - left-wing anti-Semitism, which has swept the developed Western countries. While anti-Semitism used to be a characteristic feature of nationalists, now Western nationalists, with the exception of the most radical marginalised, mostly avoid anti-Jewish rhetoric in order not to be associated with Nazis from the last century. So it is mainly people of left-wing views in Western countries who are now against Israel. Participants in anti-Israeli rallies and actions in support of Palestinians, which before the pandemic took place regularly in the West, like to emphasise - ‘We are not against the Jews, we are against Israel!’. In practice, however, separating one from the other almost never works. [...] In relation to Israel, such stories of Al Jazeera are thrown in all the time, and unlike Russia Today, Al Jazeera is not a project for cutting state finances, it is a real successful propaganda tool that has a serious impact on the Western audience. This has led to a surprising effect - the democratic state of Israel, economically developed, with a developed legal system, independent courts, free media, a representative parliament, where a significant faction of Arab residents of Israel, and in general all the signs of an advanced Western democracy, is perceived by people in Western countries almost hateful country.}} Чупчік927 (talk) 22:09, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

• That would be very WP:UNDUE in the requested form so, I think, no. Simonm223 (talk) 23:32, 21 May 2025 (UTC)