Talk:Nonviolence

It’s sloppy and may need deletion or a rewrite into three or four sentences. Needs to be appropriately sourced. 2600:100C:B037:E65A:D07:3D09:CF56:D1D3 (talk) 04:47, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

:Yes - the writer seems to have made a false link between "pacifism" coming from the Latin word for "peace", and "passive" meaning non-active. These are two completely different words. 2001:861:5700:4370:AC16:B255:8133:6086 (talk) 12:39, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Very disappointed to find a lack of Holy Bible evidence and inspiration for nonviolence.

From, charles west hammond 2600:1011:B30E:8F2F:D979:BEA1:3ACC:9316 (talk) 15:06, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

:The Bible is not holy, and it consists of a long series of murders of people like Absalom, Adonijah, and Jezebel. Where in this bloodbath do you see nonviolence? Dimadick (talk) 23:11, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

::Well, the Bible's holiness isn't something that can be productively debated in an encyclopedia. I haven't read through this article for years, but after briefly skimming, I would say a section on a Biblical foundation for nonviolence makes sense, since 1) other religious sources of nonviolent ideas are discussed so extensively and 2) Tolstoy, who is mentioned several times, was inspired by his readings of the New Testament scriptures.
The question of how the term nonviolence is distinct from pacifism is a bigger and thornier question, but also relevant: If nonviolence is a distinct concept focusing on a method to achieve political ends, as the lead section claims, rather than just the absence of violence, then why is there such extensive discussion about ahimsa and other religious concepts that seem more deeply connected to pacifism, objection to violence regardless of its political ramifications? I am not suggesting we take it out--What I'm saying is that if we include a focus on religious nonviolence apart from its political connotations, then we should include Christian pacifist movements as well (Quakers, Anabaptists, etc.). If they are excluded based on the specificity of the definition of nonviolence (which I understand), then the Indian religious foundations should be trimmed as well, except for the extent to which they motivated political movements such as Gandhi's.--MattMauler (talk) 18:43, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

:::Speaking of the New Testament, the phrase Live by the sword, die by the sword from the Gospel of Matthew has been used in the past for condemnations against "soldiering and bearing weapons". Dimadick (talk) 10:33, 18 November 2024 (UTC)