Talk:Nova music festival massacre

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Hamas is a terrorist organization. Not a militant group. Get facts straight before you provide that on Wikipedia. 50.113.64.203 (talk) 05:10, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

:{{not done}} Wikipedia uses an impartial tone to describe things as they are reported in reliable sources. "Militant group" is an accepted term, while "terrorist organization" is more contentious and should be avoided. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 06:38, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

::Woke nonsense. Youre basically saying, "This term hurts my feelings so don't say it." Some things in life are contentious and uncomfortable and avoiding them is the opposite of what you should do. Hamas IS a terrorist organization and this is the general consensus of the majority of the population. Why would you even think of contesting that unless you support them yourself? Dethgryp (talk) 15:39, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

:::See One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 00:17, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

::::This logic only applies if they are falsely accused. When 9 out of 10 people across the world consider you a terrorist organization because of your actions, then the "nuh uh no im not" argument no longer holds weight. If you steal an apple and claim youre not a thief, that doesnt make it so. Attacking a concert full of peaceful civilian is not "freedom fighting." Dethgryp (talk) 00:27, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

:::::thumb

:::::I like that stealing apple example. The person who steals an apple does not get the label of "thief" until a court has convicted the person of the crime of stealing the apple. Unfortunately there is no authority to convict Hamas of terrorism.

:::::Additionally, your 9 out of 10 might not apply in this particular case. According to this map, the majority of the world does not think Hamas are terrorists. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 00:34, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

::::::We both know thats incredibly false. Once someone is accused of and labeled something, it tends to follow them for their entire lives even if they are never convicted of the crime. It happens everyday, especially with todays cancel culture. Dethgryp (talk) 15:30, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

::::::Lol "according to this map that has zero context." What a joke. Dethgryp (talk) 15:31, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

:Hamas is a terrorist organization!!!!!!!!!!!! 2A06:C701:9BC0:E500:81B1:4D1C:446A:55AB (talk) 18:54, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

:Does al qaeda is also a militant group? well I checked on wiki is - "is a pan-Islamist militant organization led by Sunni jihadists" - woke generation completely degenerating 2A06:C701:9BC0:E500:81B1:4D1C:446A:55AB (talk) 19:00, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

There were reports by israeli news sources and even israel witnesses describing being attacked by Israeli forces. That being said in the section "Palestinian statements" this should be mentioned, not necessarily saying Israel did attack it's people but to give fairness to the statement made by the PA Mauzer's random BS (talk) 20:41, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

:Can you be more specific? The Hannibal directive is already mentioned in the article, in the specific section that you said it should be mentioned. --The Mountain of Eden (talk) 21:09, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

:Just because the PA made a (completely unfounded) statement does not mean that it should be given any prominence in a Wikipedia article. The president of the PA also wrote a pseudo history doctorate on the Holocaust which (fortunately) is not used as a basis of fact. Île flottante (talk) 06:33, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

::Not sure why you don't think that this is encyclopedic information. The article says that the PA made some assertion on the matter, Israel refuted it, and then (for whatever reason) the US spoke on the PA's behalf to say that "they didn't mean it" (paraphrasing here). Why would that not be encyclopedic? --The Mountain of Eden (talk) 06:45, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

:::Giving the allegation further prominence, as the first editor suggested, would give undue credence to the ludicrous claim that the so called Hannibal directive was in force on 7 October 2023, as it would make the matter seem like a contrast of (equally) valid opinions, which is clearly not the case Île flottante (talk) 07:00, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

::::We can't just ignore and pretend it (the PA's assertion) didn't happen. --The Mountain of Eden (talk) 07:26, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

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Please remove all sources pertaining to the Middle East Eye . This source is heavily biased by all objective standards. This flagrant bias is an insult to the victims and human decency in general. 2A02:14F:497:C1AC:F561:C418:BEDB:B7E9 (talk) 06:18, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

:I see Middle East Eye used in the article as a reference only once. Middle East Eye is currently not listed at WP:RPS, meaning that the Wikipedia community does not consider it to be an unreliable source. Perhaps you may want to start a discussion at WP:RSN if you think Middle East Eye should not be considered a reliable source.

:Regardless, I edited the page so that it's clear that the reference is used to quote critics.

:Not sure if that makes you happy, but that's the only thing I can think of to mitigate your concerns. --The Mountain of Eden (talk) 15:25, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

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Adding the Nova was the deadliest music festival to date, as well adding it to "concert disasters" Unkownslay (talk) 03:00, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

:I have added the page to :Category:Concert disasters. However, could you please provide a source for your other request, even if it is an obvious fact? Thanks. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ♰ 10:17, 1 May 2025 (UTC)

:Category:Concert disasters