Talk:Nuremberg trials#rfc 841EED5

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The article states that Hartley Shawcross gave an opening speech on the 12th of December: "The British prosecution covered the charge of crimes against peace, [...] On 12 December, Shawcross gave the opening speech..." in the 'American and British Prosecution' section of 'Course of the trial'. However, the Avalon Project's transcript of the trials (linked in the article itself) lists Shawcross's speech as having taken place on the 4th of December instead (https://avalon.law.yale.edu/subject_menus/imtproc_v3menu.asp). At least one other source found online supports this date (the webpage of Rober H. Jackson Center - https://www.roberthjackson.org/nuremberg-event/british-opening-statement-2/). As the other dates in the article appear to line up with Avalon Project, this may be a mistake caused by the fact that 4th of December was the twelfth day of the trials. Jko.366 (talk) 01:24, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

I propose merging Subsequent Nuremburg Trials into Nuremburg trials. I think that since most of the content of the quite short Subsequent Nuremberg Trials article already exists under the heading: "Subsequent Nuremberg Trials" in the article of Nuremberg Trials, a merge would not cause any article-size or weighting problems in Nuremberg Trials, and would in fact enhance the main article, which is notably more popular between the two. ShoBDin (talk) 15:36, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

:Oppose adding more content about the subsequent trials to this article would be UNDUE. (t · c) buidhe 17:13, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

In the section on the Soviet indictment on the Katyn massacre, Goebbels' version is indicated. I consider the broadcasting of Nazi propaganda in Wikipedia to be absolutely unacceptable. You must know that all the information in the indictment has been proven, otherwise it would have to be removed from there according to the tribunal's statute. Here is a [https://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/count3.asp link to the indictment]. Katyn is easy to search for using keywords. Yep I am human (talk) 05:21, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

:While it's true that goebbels said that the Katyn massacre was committed by the soviet union, no serious source disagrees. (t · c) buidhe 12:42, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

::It turns out that Wikipedia refers to unreliable sources and the lines about Katyn need to be rewritten. Man against n (talk) 13:24, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

:::That's a legend published by MLPD for example.  @xqt 15:11, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

::::@Xqt

::::: Either you are blind, then I advise you to go to an ophthalmologist, or you didn't even bother to think. In that discussion, there was a link to the [https://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/count3.asp original indictment of the Nuremberg Tribunal], where there is a quote in plain text: "In September 1941, 11,000 Polish officers who were prisoners of war were killed in the Katyn Forest near Smolensk." You won't have a hard time finding this. The crime is fixed in the indictment. We continue reading [https://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/imtconst.asp article 21 of the statute of the tribunal]: "Article 21.

::::: The Tribunal shall not require proof of facts of common knowledge but shall take judicial notice thereof. It shall also take judicial notice of official governmental documents and reports of the United Nations, including the acts and documents of the committees set up in the various allied countries for the investigation of war crimes, and of records and findings of military or other Tribunals of any of the United Nations."

::::: The conclusion of the Extraordinary State Commission is a fact. We continue, we open the verdict of the [https://crimeofaggression.info/documents/6/1946_Nuremberg_Judgement.pdf International Military Tribunal] on pages 131-133 for an example Reader. And we see at the end: "The Tribunal finds that Raeder is guilty on Counts One, Two, and Three. ". And what do we have in the Third paragraph of the Indictment? That's right, including Katyn.

::::@Buidhe appreciate the work). Man against n (talk) 16:07, 21 May 2025 (UTC)