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|Summary = The minister of Norway, Jesper Berg is kidnapped. Berg and the Norwegian government is pressed by Russia and the EU to restart the oil production in Norway.
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|Summary = PM Jesper Berg desperately tries to stage a 'normal' Norwegian national day on May 17 to convince the people he didn't accept a Russian occupation but just a temporary transition, but even many party members don't attend and the royal guard commander refuses to be decorated for the cowardly surrender the PM calls astute diplomacy.The reporter he exclusively talks to happens to help out as waiter in his wife's restaurant just across the Russian HQ. There is held royal guardsman Stefan Christensen, who shot at Russian ambassador Sidorova.
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|Summary = Two months later, eager to appease the impatiently haunting press, PM Berg blurts out he'll have a date for the Russian withdrawal the next day. In fact Sidorova even refuses to continue the negotiations unless the legal Chechen immigrant Elbek Musajev, who is believed to have run over a Russian official leaving the restaurant across the embassy at night, is extradited as 'wanted terrorist'. That's impossible under Norwgein law, even if he's found guilty. Shortly after, his student son Iljas Musajev voluntarily confesses the nocturnal fatal accident.
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|Summary = Another month later, Djupvik accepts to leave the PM lifeguard job for a newly created one: forming his own team to prevent and handle crimes by Norwegeians against the Russians. A knave is imprinted the criminal consequences unless he immediately takes down a blog inciting to resistance against the Russian occupation, even by violence. When Djupvik offers to take the kid home, a bomb in his police car explodes, landing the kid in long-term hospital care. Incidents abound, also among decent Norwegeian citizens, and the Russian paranoia again blocks all withdrawal.
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|Summary = Djupvik is on the trail of Iljas, who refused leaving the country with uncle Aslan and joined Christensen in a rural hide-out but risks calling kin Jasmine. PM Berg finally reached the EU-Russian-production-level-demand and expects the occupation to be ended. He hopes to save his party by opening the first of three thorium plants, which should replace fossil fuel in all Europe. Thomas already turned the press against him, but then an explosion in a major plant kills Russians, so Sidorova claims Moskow won't allow the evacuation.
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|Summary = Norway has managed to repair the gas lines after bomb on Viksund, but the EU believes that the political landscape is too uncertain for the Russian withdrawal now....
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|Summary = Djupvik's traitor boss has him blamed and dismissed -albeit honorably- for the Russians shooting the resistance leader. He feels a Russian job offer, to keep protecting their nationals, unpatriotic, but accepts at PM and army commander's confidential request. It becomes clear that too-inquisitive reporter Thomas Eriksen -whose wife Bente still flirts with a Russian regular guest, while her stepson Petter moves in with his mother- was murdered by the Russians, who infiltrate the country numerously trough Lapland.
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|Summary = PM Berg agrees to a Russian proposal to introduce thorium in their many nuclear power plants and convinces his party rebels there's no realistic alternative, their leader Anders would seem a worse pushover to Moskow, so Berg remains head of government. Djupvik has just accepted the Russian job offer when Berg and his assistant-mistress are taken hostage by a ruthless masked commando, demanding and end to the deportation of Russian and the closure of detention centers announced by Berg. While Djupvik mediates, Berg accepts, yet a sharpshooter kills an assailant.
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|Summary = Djupvik is evicted from the Russian HQ by Sidorova's harder successor. PM Berg attempt to relocate the illegal Russians, which Moskow won't take back, to Arctic Spitzbergen, but Russian fighters scare the planes back. Berg now calls on the Nores to resist the Russian invaders by non-violent, tenacious civil disobedience, but Free Norway unleashes a wave of violence, and the US embassy asks him to flee to Geneva, yet agrees, when he refuses, to 'facilitate' negotiations with Moskow, which blatantly waves all accusations.
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|Summary = PM Berg has been hiding out in a foreign national residence from the Russian's. Things don't according to plan and he ends up in a helicopter being taken to a place that might lead to his downfall.
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Nakamuradavid (talk) 07:15, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
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Requested move 31 January 2019
:The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was: moved as requested. There was consensus to move the page; the support for the target was split between Occupied and Occupied (TV series), but Occupied had been a stable redirect to this page for ten months, so this is not a case of usurpation as suggested below. I have added a hatnote to this page for Military occupation; improvement of the wording would be welcome. Dekimasuよ! 17:36, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
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:Okkupert → {{no redirect|Occupied}} – Although the current title Okkupert was appropriate when this article was first created and there was no distribution in English language countries, and thus very little if any English language coverage then, all that has changed. Per WP:COMMONNAME this (awesome) Norwegian thriller series is now most commonly referred to as Occupied in reliable English language sources, and this has been the case for several years: [https://www.netflix.com/title/80092654 Netflix], [https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/09/arts/television/tv-review-occupied-netflix-the-bureau-itunes.html NY Times], [https://slate.com/technology/2016/02/occupied-a-political-thriller-on-climate-change-now-on-netflix-reviewed.html Slate.com], [https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/occupied/s01/ Rotten Tomatoes], [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/03/19/in-the-tv-thriller-occupied-russia-has-western-democracy-on-the-run/ wapo], [https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/07/occupied-norwegian-thriller-netflix-donald-trump Vanity Fair]. I should note that [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4192998/reviews IMDB uses Okkupert], but it's an outlier among English language sources. :Occupied already redirects here, so there is no WP:PRIMARYTOPIC issue. В²C ☎ 00:17, 31 January 2019 (UTC). --Relisting. SITH (talk) 11:59, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
- Support per nom. — AjaxSmack 03:19, 31 January 2019 (UTC); Oppose a move to Occupied (TV series)/redirect of "occupied" per WP:NOTDICT. — AjaxSmack 02:11, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
- Support per nom. — Outback the koala (talk) 03:30, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support per nom. 94.21.204.175 (talk) 10:07, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support per nom and WP:USEENGLISH. Rreagan007 (talk) 19:44, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support alternate move to Occupied (TV series) and redirect Occupied to Occupation per WP:ASTONISH (or just make it into a disambiguation page as it was in 2016 before being changed to a redirect).ZXCVBNM (TALK) 15:59, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
- Support ZXCVBNM move WP:SURPRISE! This would be a usurpation of the common English word which I would take to mean military occupation. Ribbet32 (talk) 01:20, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
- Support ZXCVBNM's proposal only. Srnec (talk) 23:21, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
- Relisting note: it's clear a move is supported, just which one remains the question. SITH (talk) 11:59, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
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:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
Comments on questionable assertions in the plot description of Occupied season 1
The recent text of this article (read 2019-07-14) claims that Jesper Berg, the Prime Minister, is the leader of the Norwegian Green Party. Although one can easily be deluded to suppose this, no party name is ever mentioned in the series. In the visual/musical intro of each episode, there is a short glimpse of a campaign poster with Mr. Bergs portrait and also the text "Nytt flertall - Ny Kraft" (ENG: New majority - New Power). This can be interpreted either as an election slogan or the actual party name (i.e. Ny Kraft). My guess is the latter; if you look really close you'll catch a sight of a domain name at the bottom of the poster, probably spelling "www.nykraft.no" (although somewhat blurry).
Interesting enough, Jesper Berg says "the Russians perceived my social democratic belief as cowardice" (my translation from Norwegian) in a discussion with his former env. minister (S1.E8 at 25.20). This, however, doesn't necessarily means he is/was a Social Democrat; it could also be seen as a more general ideological statement.
In either case, the party that forms the government is an entirely fictious one (hey, it's a TV-series!) Thus, the article is directly misleading when it links to the existing Green Party of Norway, so I strongly recommend this to be changed.
Note: I have no affiliation whatsoever with any political party, neither in Norway nor in Sweden (I am Swedish). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enskede (talk • contribs) 23:49, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
:I freely admit that they aren't clear of the name of the party in the show. In one episode, Berg says his party is "a green party". Very imprecise. Plus no official descriptions say it was the Green Party of Norway, and I haven't found anyone from the show saying it is that specific party. However, multiple sources have opted to identify Berg's party as the Green Party:
:* https://www.vogue.com/article/netflix-occupied-erik-skjoldbjaerg-homeland
:* https://slate.com/technology/2016/02/occupied-a-political-thriller-on-climate-change-now-on-netflix-reviewed.html
:* https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2017/10/01/norwegian-tv-series-occupied-hints-at-u-s-leaving-nato-and-russia-invading/#4b72baaa771e
:* https://www.filmneweurope.com/news/lithuania-news/item/118016-norwegian-tv-series-occupied-films-in-lithuania
:* https://www.wsj.com/articles/green-politics-and-global-instability-11548201074
:Others use the more abstract term "Green party" (note "party" isn't capitalized):
:* https://www.politico.eu/article/occupied-norwegian-tv-series-thats-enraged-the-kremlin-norway-russia-occupation/
:* https://www.nytimes.com/watching/recommendations/occupied
:I am open to compromise by saying that certain outlets have presumed Berg's party to be the Norwegian Green Party. Image2012 (talk) 13:50, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
season 3
Major Spoilers in Cast Section
The cast section should not include Season 3 spoilers for cast members who appear in Season 1 (e.g., it says that Veslemøy Mørkrid plays "Ingrid Bø, a PST officer, killed by a car bomb in season 3"). The cast section should be intentionally vague and big-picture to prevent spoilers. The same is true for the following cast members:
1. "Henrik Mestad as Jesper Berg, the environmentalist Prime Minister of Norway, later leader of Free Norway" should not have ", later leader of Free Norway"
2. "Eldar Skar as Hans Martin Djupvik, a member of the Norwegian Police Security Service and Berg's bodyguard, later a Russian agent, and then chief of the PST" should not have anything after "Berg's bodyguard."
3. "Ane Dahl Torp as Bente Norum, a restaurant owner, married to (and later widow of) Thomas Eriksen" should not mention Eriksen's death, as that is a huge season 1 spoiler.
4. "Janne Heltberg as Anita Rygh, political advisor to Prime Minister Berg, later Prime Minister of Norway" arguably should not mention "later Prime Minister of Norway." This one is a little tricky, because the character rises in relevance with the PM slot.
5. "Ragnhild Gudbrandsen as Wenche Arnesen, the chief of the PST, later member of Free Norway" should not mention "later a member of Free Norway," as that is character development over time.
:Please see Wikipedia:Spoiler. Valid content should not be suppressed to avoid spoilers. Verbcatcher (talk) 00:46, 22 August 2020 (UTC)