Talk:Osteopathy

The sentence in the lead, "People practicing osteopathy are referred to as osteopathic practitioners" is inaccurate and contradicts two of the cited sources (the link to the third source appears to be dead). Non-physician, manipulation-only practitioners of osteopathy are referred to as osteopaths. Doctors of Osteopathic Medicine are referred to as osteopathic physicians. This is stated in the sources as well as the American Association of Colleges of Osteopathic Medicine's website (http://www.aacom.org/become-a-doctor/about-om/US-vs-abroad). Both call themselves "DO's". In the United States, osteopaths are prohibited from referring to themselves as "DO's" to avoid being confused with osteopathic physicians.SympatheticResonance (talk)

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it says it's not government regulated, then it says you need to register in private schools. If it's not regulated, you don't need any education, and could just teach yourself or make it up as you go... 64.110.254.75 (talk) 20:19, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Died of breast cancer, recently. And I learned she spent her time seeing an Osteopath, and the Article doesn't have prominently displayed something like REQUIRED EDUCATION. How much education does it take for some random quack to call himself "doctor"? A two-year degree? A course by mail from a matchbook cover? A certificate from some university in Belize? What's the difference in education between a medical doctor and this form of quack?2603:8081:3A00:30DF:FD49:B5B5:CF6D:BC59 (talk) 02:49, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

:Per WP:NOTAFORUM, I changed the section header, from "Quack Medicine and a Dead Friend". The issue of more content on education requirements is a reasonable one, so I wanted to leave that here. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:28, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

: This is the wrong article. Here are the proper articles: Osteopathic medicine in the United States and Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 18:39, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

::But I wonder whether it would be useful here to have anything more about the lack of training requirements? --Tryptofish (talk) 18:45, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

::: The "criticism" section deals with some of the problems. The issue is when certain methods are used for conditions where modern medicine is more appropriate. For example, OMT / HVLA manipulation is not an appropriate treatment for allergies and asthma. It may have some limited legitimacy for certain musculoskeletal complaints of a purely mechanical nature. Note that "limited"!! Modern DOs recognize this, and that's why very few of them continue to use OMT at all. They have learned of its limitations and the superior results from modern medicine. Some osteopaths still "over" depend on OMT, and we rightly call them quacks. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 00:43, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Please update with current information about American Osteopathic Medicine which is becoming quite widespread and mainstream in modern medicine. Most American osteopaths practice in primary care positions such as family and internal medicine directly alongside and in practices with allopaths equally. One in 4 medical school graduates are osteopathic physicians. Here is more information from the American osteopathic association.

https://osteopathic.org/what-is-osteopathic-medicine/ Mjreillydo (talk) 19:01, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

:Already covered at Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:47, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Current article:

New Zealand

In New Zealand a course is offered at the Unitec Institute of Technology (Unitec). Australasian courses consist of a bachelor's degree in clinical science (osteopathy) followed by a master's degree. The Unitec double degree programme is the OCNZ prescribed qualification for registration in the scope of practice: Australian qualifications accredited by the Australian and New Zealand Osteopathic Council are also prescribed qualifications.

Correction:

In New Zealand a course is offered at Ara Institute of Canterbury. The Bachelor of Musculoskeletal Health [https://www.ara.ac.nz/products/programme/ch4063-stru-bachelor-of-musculoskeletal-health/]https://www.ara.ac.nz/products/programme/ch4063-stru-bachelor-of-musculoskeletal-health/) and the Postgraduate Diploma in Osteopathy ([https://www.ara.ac.nz/products/programme/ch4064-stru-postgraduate-diploma-in-osteopathy/]https://www.ara.ac.nz/products/programme/ch4064-stru-postgraduate-diploma-in-osteopathy/) programmes is the OCNZ prescribed qualification for registration in the scope of practice: Australian qualifications accredited by the Australian and New Zealand Osteopathic Council are also prescribed qualifications.

Osteopaths are health practitioners working under the Ministry of Health ([https://www.health.govt.nz/regulation-legislation/health-practitioners/responsible-authorities]https://www.health.govt.nz/regulation-legislation/health-practitioners/responsible-authorities). Osteopaths are Accident Compensation Corporation providers ([https://www.acc.co.nz/im-injured/what-we-cover/treatment-we-pay-for]https://www.acc.co.nz/im-injured/what-we-cover/treatment-we-pay-for).

Osteopaths New Zealand (ONZ) [https://osteopathsnz.co.nz/]https://osteopathsnz.co.nz/ represents osteopaths in New Zealand. ONZ is a member of Allied Health Aotearoa New Zealand ([https://www.alliedhealth.org.nz/]https://www.alliedhealth.org.nz/). JustineGu (talk) 19:34, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

:Does your proposed change really belong on this page, or at Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine? --Tryptofish (talk) 19:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

:: Good question. I would think the latter. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 22:52, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

:::When will the article be corrected please? JustineGu (talk) 05:08, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

:::: You need to respond to the comments above. Have you looked at the other article? We have TWO very different articles on the topic of osteopathy. Are you in the right place? -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 15:16, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

This page states that Osteopathy is a pseudoscience and is an alternative medicine, implying that there is not scientific credibility or validity in OMM as a treatment model. The citation that is used is the 4th citation from Quackwatch that when clicking on the link brings the user to a page that defines "quackery" and does not provide any scientific information proving that Osteopathy is a pseudoscience. This article then goes on to state, "An osteopathic physician in the United States is a physician trained in the full scope of medical practice, with a degree of Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine (DO)." It seems dubious to claim that OMM is a pseudoscience but then to acknowledge that Doctors of Osteopathic medicine have been conferred all of the rights, privileges, and responsibilities to that of a Doctor of Allopathy, MD.

It defies all science and reason to believe that the manipulation of ones joints and muscles does not aid in the restoration of their normal function.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9143587/ 2601:80:C87E:A1C0:F4EB:8A77:8DFC:7A78 (talk) 17:12, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

:Doctor of osteopathic medicine is a different topic. They are pretty much normal doctors but with a bit of embarrassing quackery (i.e. osteopathy) mixed in with their training, largely for historical reasons. Meanwhile in many countries "osteopaths" (who anyone can be on their own say-so) are quintessential quacks at large. Bon courage (talk) 17:18, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

::Osteopaths aren’t self-identifying it’s a title. 82.152.216.54 (talk) 10:25, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

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Remove the word “pseudoscience / pseudoscientific” from the description of osteopathy as this is not accurate. In the UK osteopathy is an Allied Health Profession (not an alternative / complementary profession) based on a bio-psycho—social model of health and illness and is evidence based as outlined in its regulatory guidelines. All osteopaths have a masters level degree focused on diagnosing and treating musculoskeletal issues. Claims of pseudoscience are outdated. 82.152.216.54 (talk) 10:24, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

File:X mark.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Tlx|Edit semi-protected}} template. PianoDan (talk) 18:07, 12 December 2024 (UTC)